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CG Institute - Oklahoma City, OK ?
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14 Apr 2012 04:54 PM
    "I'm the only person to not get an assignment on the coast."

    I just got my week 5 phone call. She is not a happy camper. All her letters she was saying how she can't wait to be out on the fleet, and now the nearest coast is like 12 hours away.

    Anyways, I told her that we'll just have to make the best of it. It looks green, so that's better than El Paso so far. Does anyone have any experience with this installation? What should a non-rate be expected to do there? 
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    14 Apr 2012 05:10 PM
    I looked up the Unit Information Sheet for the CG Institute, expecting to find some useful information in the 'Typical SA/SN Job Assignment' field but all it says there is "Bookroom". I don't know what that means so make of it what you will...
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    14 Apr 2012 05:17 PM
    She so wanted to be on a cutter too. I was preparing myself for her being out at sea 180 days a year. I really don't know what to make of this. I mean in a way I'm glad she won't be gone for ahlf the year, but then I'm upset that she didn't get what she wanted. And I don't want her to be someplace where she's not happy. Who knows, she might love it.

    Someone was saying that if a person doesn't like their first unit, they'll opt for an A school with the shortest wait time just to get out of that place lol. I dunno, I was trying to tell my wife to go FS, maybe that's where she'll end up.
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    14 Apr 2012 06:35 PM
    It's not a bad place to be stationed. OKC is a beautiful city with lots to do. My family lives there. She'll probably be doing a lot of clerical work and mail room kind of stuff. It's really not that bad. She will miss out on some fleet experience, but once she goes off to A school, she will be fine. I think it will be a great way to spend her nonrate time. If you need information on housing in the area, PM me and I'll have my sisters look into it.
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    15 Apr 2012 10:42 AM
    I work in Kansas so I know how you feel. BTW we handle the institutes records so if you need anything let me know.
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    15 Apr 2012 10:57 AM
    What exactly is the institute for? From what I've gathered, she will have to get clearance from the FAA and wear an FAA security badge while she's there, so that tells me it has something to do with flying. I can't really find alot of information on what the people who work there do.

    The unit information sheet says:
    TYPICAL SA/SN JOB ASSIGNMENT: Bookroom

    Also it says most family lives out in Mustang or Yukon. I looked at the google map, Mustang seems a little closer.
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    15 Apr 2012 12:16 PM
    She will most likely be mailing out course books to the members that enroll in different courses.
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    15 Apr 2012 12:39 PM
    well i understand it will be administrative duties she will be doing, but what is the Institute's purpose? is it for flight personnel? do people go there for further training? I'm not understanding why she would need clearance from the FAA.
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    15 Apr 2012 12:59 PM
    The CG Institute is the education hub for the CG. They maintain hard copies of all CG course material for each rating, and they handle our college credit assessments. Essentially, we go to schools for training, send the info to the institute they draft and official transcript for us. They also handle the administration for processing tuition assistance. It's likely she's going to be working around/with confidential/classified info, so that may be the reason or the FAA clearance.
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    15 Apr 2012 01:06 PM
    now my wife doesn't have her US citizenship yet, thus she doesn't qualify for a security clearance with the military.... If she can't get clearance through the military, how's she going to get clearance with the FAA?... interesting lol.

    edit: so people don't actually go to the institute to train? 
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    15 Apr 2012 01:55 PM
    She was issued the orders, so she can be assigned there. I don't know what the FAA clearance involves. She'll be able to contact the Institute and get all the details. As far as I know, no one goes there for training. The Institute is the admin side of the house for training.
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    15 Apr 2012 02:36 PM
    It could be that the Instutute shares the building with the FAA, and perhaps the FAA has requirements that all personnel on their property have certain credentials. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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    15 Apr 2012 03:11 PM
    To quote the Unit Information Sheet: "The Institute is located on the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center (MMAC) just west of Will Rodgers World Airport. We are a tenant command of the FAA and are subject to all MMAC rules and regulations pertaining to security and such. Newly reported members must have an escort until you have received an FAA security badge. You are also required to have a MMAC parking decal on your vehicle. Requirements are the same as for a USCG vehicle sticker. There is a cafeteria, credit union, medical clinic, and fitness center on the MMAC."

    There is a Wikipedia article about the "MMAC": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_M...cal_Center

    The badging requirements for all Federal facilities are much more involved than they used to be. It's almost as much work as getting a Security Clearance. See also HSPD-12: http://www.nextgov.com/the_basics/t...0_8037.php
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    16 Apr 2012 03:34 PM
    i don't know if the CG uses the word - sham or shamming. but basically in the army, it refers to doing something other than actually working.

    "I was out in the motopool bustin my ass trying to get the track back on the vehicle. What'd you do today?"
    "Sat in my room and shammed out, playing X-Box."

    "I just got orders to be a museum curator!"
    "Wow, that's a sham job. How'd you pull that one off?"

    Well the more I find out about this CG Institute, the more it sounds pretty sham. 0600-1500 is what the guys in the bookroom work. I called around to try and find out why no one was answering, and they were already gone for the day. Physical Training, basically you get 3 one hour breaks a week to go do PT. I mean, sucks she won't get any experience with boats and stuff. She said she wanted to be a cutter so bad.
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    16 Apr 2012 04:20 PM
    Regardless of outward appearances, there's no such thing as a "sham" job in the CG unless the person in that job doesn't have a strong work ethic. There's always work that needs to be done.
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    16 Apr 2012 04:44 PM
    It's her first unit. Her next could be a cutter or small boat station depending on which rating she chooses. Going home every night, not standing duty, and having full access to the inner workings of USCG Training.. Sounds terrible (read that with the heaviest sarcasm in the history of the universe.)
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    16 Apr 2012 04:59 PM
    There's always different levels of work. Infantry, crawl in the mud, get shoot at, carry 50+ lbs. of gear. Legal assistant, file paperwork, do power of attorney letters, process UCMJ paperwork.

    I'd say the legal assistant has a pretty sham job lol. Important to continuing operations, yes. I'm just calling clerical work shamtastic in this reference. Nothing against REMFs. They keep the show running so the guys on the line can do their job.
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    16 Apr 2012 05:06 PM
    A Yeoman might be a "sham" until there is a problem with your pay, your travel advance, your move paperwork, your health insurance for your newborn baby... then they are absolute shining stars, best friends.

    As it was said, there are no sham jobs in the CG. So while I understand your & your wife's frustration at being nowhere near a ship when that was where her heart was leading her, she will be contributing to her shipmates and their futures and eventually her career as well.

    Sorry Yn's... I was just using your rate as an example. I can do the same sort of thing with any rate in the CG. I just picked one and went with it. I have several friends that are retired YN's and I adore them.
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    16 Apr 2012 05:47 PM
    the YN3 gave me the number to the person she's replacing, so hopefully he'll be at work when I call there tomorrow. I'll let him know that my wife hates him lol. Hopefully he'll have some good news about the place. The YN3 also said there's only 4 people who work in the bookroom. I know at least one of them is an SK3.
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    16 Apr 2012 06:19 PM
    Don't step on your wife's toes too much. As some basic questions, but let your wife do things for herself. It will be better for her and look better in the eyes of her command.
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    16 Apr 2012 10:39 PM
    oh, i was totally joking about telling the guy she hates him. lol. but my concerns are mainly about what's available in the area as far as apartments or houses for rent. and i am curious about their hours of operation.
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    17 Apr 2012 07:17 AM
    Posted By Old Guard2 on 16 Apr 2012 06:06 PM
    A Yeoman might be a "sham" until there is a problem with your pay, your travel advance, your move paperwork, your health insurance for your newborn baby... then they are absolute shining stars, best friends.

    As it was said, there are no sham jobs in the CG. So while I understand your & your wife's frustration at being nowhere near a ship when that was where her heart was leading her, she will be contributing to her shipmates and their futures and eventually her career as well.

    Sorry Yn's... I was just using your rate as an example. I can do the same sort of thing with any rate in the CG. I just picked one and went with it. I have several friends that are retired YN's and I adore them.


    None taken . I just hope that everyone gets a shining star when they need something administrative done.
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    17 Apr 2012 09:42 AM
    john.g.w., there are a couple of websites and FB pages that my help you look for places. Let your wife do her thing in boot, and get what info comes from her sponsor.
    Then you can both ask questions at www.coastiesonthemove.com , www.militarywom.com (military word of mouth) and the FB pages for her boot camp company, USCG Support Page, USCG Parents, Friends and Family, Coasties on the Move, Military Word of Mouth, and Coast Guard Fathers Husbands & Fiances .
    Especially the moving sites and pages are good places for feedback; even if there are not a ton of other CG families at her new station, other military families will certainly have good feedback for places on the economy, doctors and schools.

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    24 Apr 2012 09:40 PM
    So her boss is a retired military civilian. She'll be working in the bookroom, mailing off all the correspondence material. And her boss says he works "pretty late" everyday.... He usually leaves work at 3:30 pm....

    Anyways, someone mentioned doing a mutual after 6 months? Trading assignments or something? My wife wants to be by the coast. Hopefully she'll change her mind.
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    24 Apr 2012 11:53 PM
    Honestly, you guys will just need to make the best of it. Don't count on a mutual. This is what you guys signed up for so have her do her nonrate time, pick a rating and wait it out for a-school. Do you think my unit wanted to be deployed for 9 months, with internet the same as 2 56K modems for 100 people to share, where it literally takes 45 minutes to load one webpage and then you can't even do simple things like pay bills, or emails would get stuck in limbo....no.

    Complete isolation.

    Did I pick that unit? No. Not even close, and I fretted with picking different rates for different wait times because I coudn't stand being a nonrate at my unit, but I stuck it out and will be becoming a PO at unit I didn't want to be at and will complete a full 3 years. My next unit I should pretty much get my first pick. You get rewarded for hard work.

    I seriously almost lost it in boot when I found out my orders, and now, I love the unit, love the people and command...it gsts better. Just let her deal with it, its HER career.
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    25 Apr 2012 01:49 AM
    +1 Bells
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    25 Apr 2012 04:46 AM
    Not sure you want to pay the cost of a mutual move. Depending on where you go it could be pretty expensive.
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    25 Apr 2012 05:09 AM
    Posted By NargilFenris on 17 Apr 2012 08:17 AM
    Posted By Old Guard2 on 16 Apr 2012 06:06 PM
    A Yeoman might be a "sham" until there is a problem with your pay, your travel advance, your move paperwork, your health insurance for your newborn baby... then they are absolute shining stars, best friends.

    As it was said, there are no sham jobs in the CG. So while I understand your & your wife's frustration at being nowhere near a ship when that was where her heart was leading her, she will be contributing to her shipmates and their futures and eventually her career as well.

    Sorry Yn's... I was just using your rate as an example. I can do the same sort of thing with any rate in the CG. I just picked one and went with it. I have several friends that are retired YN's and I adore them.


    None taken . I just hope that everyone gets a shining star when they need something administrative done.

    People tend to look at me and say, "You married a *Yeoman*?"  Yes, well, some of us never have problems with pay or getting forms filled out correctly.  Keep giving me that I'm an idiot look.  I thought so!

    If you wife wants to go underway, have her let her command know.  We have assets along the Mississippi River, and solicitations come out from time to time too.  Not saying they will let her go, but it never hurts to ask.
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    25 Apr 2012 05:18 AM
    3:30 is a "pretty late" work day??

    The CG Institute is a great place to be a non-rate, there are many learning opportunities from the different ranks and ratings present. There will be plenty of time her her to learn her job, maybe attend school if thats a goal. Pulling off a mutual as a non-rate would be rather costly and I don't exactly think that the CG Institute will be an easy sell for someone to trade it with her.

    Everyone gets orders they don't like. You go, do the best job you can while your there and move on. She's put where the Coast Guards needs her.
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    25 Apr 2012 09:24 AM
    +1 Browns
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