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A Couple of CSPI Questions
Last Post 02 Jul 2012 11:09 AM by Bells. 11 Replies.
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WorkingWife
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| 25 Jun 2012 01:23 PM |
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Hello! I'm obviously new here, but I'd like to first state that the questions and answers that are noted on this site are so helpful and informative. A huge thank you to those who can provide first-hand experience, information and who take the time to do so - it is an incredible resource for those of us who are unfamiliar with the territory!
My husband is working toward earning a spot in the 2013 CSPI program. I am looking to find out if anyone has some information that his recruiter is a bit vague on.
First, we have one child and another on the way. I'm due in November. I understand that ethically he is required to divulge that there will be an additional dependant, however when he does apply for the program there will be no SSN or birth certificate for the child. How can they take that into account on paper?
Second, I work full-time and have been for 3 years. Will I absolutely be counted as a dependant? I understand that if he were to ship out and we were to move that I would likely not be able to continue at my job, but since he will be in school for two years and we will continue to live where we do now, my employment is very stable.
Next, with regard to debt-to-income ratio: It is my understanding the most people who join as officers take a pay cut, so if there are dependants involved the Coast Guard will do a debt-to-income calculation. My husband's case is the opposite - even at an E3 with BAH (what I understand is the pay grade during CSPI), his income would about double. Would a debt-to-income still be necessary?
Also, if both myself and my unborn child are required to be "counted" as dependants, what is the likelihood that he might obtain a waiver from the Coast Guard-necessity standpoint? I understand that it is done on a case-by-case basis, but like I said before his income would grow tremendously and he really is a stand-up guy - no criminal history at all (not even a traffic ticket), no drugs EVER or underage drinking, no tatoos, GPA of 2.9, ACT of 27, top 10% of his HS class. Any input on that would be appreciated, though I know no one can really give a definite answer.
Okay, last one. Does anyone know anything about when the FY2013 deadlines would be published? We're hoping for a spot for him in the January 2013 semester. All his recruiter would tell us is that they MIGHT post deadlines in August, but no guarantee or any solid information at all.
Thanks for taking the time to read my monster post, and any info you've got would be greatly appreciated. |
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sardaddy Trusted Member
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| 26 Jun 2012 05:31 AM |
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Yes, you are a dependant. Even if you were a multi-millionaire you would still be a dependent. They will include your child on the way as a dependant. No SSN needed for that, it is simply noted on the paperwork. Not sure where you heard that most take a pay cut to be an officer. Most are right out of college with no job. Hard to take a pay cut from zero. Will he get a waiver? Who knows. It is all case by case and depends on the times. Currently there are far more applicants than slots so waivers are not really necessary to meet the needs of the service. So waivers are more rare but they can still happen. All you can do is try. As far as his background, that is great but that describes just about every applicant . Good luck.
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WorkingWife
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| 26 Jun 2012 12:36 PM |
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Thanks for the info sardaddy! In regards to officers taking a pay cut, what his recruiter off-handedly indicated as well as what we've generally found was that if you've got a bachelor's and a career going then you'd likely take a pay cut to go to OCS and starting out that way - is that not the case? I see your point, that going through CSPI is different since you'd still be working towards your degree. Is it equally as likely to obtain a waiver if you are enlisting versus going for the CSPI or other officer programs? I'd bet your answer is that it's a case-by-case thing, but I'm curious as to whether the applicant to available slot - ratio is about equal between Enlisted and Officers. Thanks again for the information. |
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sardaddy Trusted Member
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| 26 Jun 2012 02:28 PM |
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Sorry, I don't really have a good answer on the odds of enlisting. As for the pay cut comment. It isn't really that big of a deal but I would argue that a majority of the civilian applicants to OCS are recent college grads or are about to graduate not someone who has built a huge career. I know teachers, cops, salesmen, etc. who joined the CG but I yet to see someone who was a high paid exec joining. Additionally, and someone will tell me if I am wrong, yes, your husband's program would have him making E3 pay through college (getting paid while going to college is not a bad deal) but OCS folks are college grads and will start at E5 and be O1's in about 3 months so the pay isn't pauperlike. Good luck. |
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ebee
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| 26 Jun 2012 02:36 PM |
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The most likely scenario I can think of for OCS applicants taking pay cuts is that they are coming from civilian life an area with a higher cost of living (and thus higher salaries) and they get stationed in an area with a lower cost of living and thus lower BAH. For example I currently live in the DC area, right now if I were to become an officer and be stationed in the DC area, I'd make more as an officer (including BAH & BAS) than I do at my current civilian job. However, if I were to get stationed in Birmingham, AL, I'd be taking a pay cut from my civilian job. But when you factor in that cost of living is much lower in Birmingham, it's not really comparable. |
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Cooch Trusted Member
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| 27 Jun 2012 09:09 PM |
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At the current time, your husband is beyond the dependant limit and will not be eligible to apply. The limit is two. With a spouse, a child, and a child on the way, he is over the limit with three. A recruiter will not be able to process him for the program. |
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Cooch Trusted Member
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| 27 Jun 2012 09:12 PM |
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Also, the deadline to apply wont be until the end f January 2013. That means that the selections won't take place until April and the new selectees won't go to basic training until next May or June. This means that your second child will have already been born. Sorry, but they won't grant dependency waivers with so many great applicants to choose from. |
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WorkingWife
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| 29 Jun 2012 09:20 AM |
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Thanks so much for the information. I think he'll still try for a waiver, even with a next-to-nothing chance it'd be granted. Is there anything more he can do to stand out as someone who is really wanting to be dedicated to the Coast Guard? If we had heard of the program earlier we wouldn't have tried for a second until a later time, it's just unfortunate that this is what is going to prevent him from such an incredible opportunity. Thanks again for replying. |
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Cooch Trusted Member
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| 29 Jun 2012 02:39 PM |
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What I'm trying to say is that a recruiter will not request a waiver. There are far too many good applicants out there that do not require a waiver. Sorry. |
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WorkingWife
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| 02 Jul 2012 09:23 AM |
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I understand there are many, many applicants that don't require waivers, and there is pretty much no hope that he could get into CSPI.
The only reason he is still going to keep his head up for the program is that his recruiter was interested in him. He told him to keep an eye out, told him to call and check in, talked to him about the possibility of the waiver, after my husband explained the whole situation with complete honesty. Why would an incredibly busy recruiter waste his own time on an applicant if he knew he wasn't even going to try for a waiver?
I hope you don't think I'm trying to challenge or argue here, but it honestly doesn't make sense. Just from reading these posts and from information that we've otherwise gathered, it seems that a recruiter who covers multiple states and likely hundreds of applicants wouldn't give someone with as little a chance as you indicate the time of day, much less encourage his pursuit. |
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Gears Trusted Member
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| 02 Jul 2012 10:22 AM |
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Each recruiter works independently. Perhaps your husband has qualities his recruiter is looking for and is willing to go the extra mile. Best of luck to you! |
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Bells Trusted Member
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| 02 Jul 2012 11:09 AM |
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And the majority of the people posting on this thread are recruiters, so they ARE giving you the honest answer. Just know that receiving a waiver is extremely unlikely because their are probably thousands of well qualified applicants that don't need waivers, and for cspi, your husband by applying is just the first step, he'd still need to get accepted. Where as trying to enlist with the waiver, thats one yes or no answer.
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