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Gears
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| 20 Aug 2012 12:52 PM |
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I understand.. That's the downside of written communication, you lose all the little emotions that come with a face-to-face conversation. |
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Cooch
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| 20 Aug 2012 01:00 PM |
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Well, 3 weeks is light compared to 8, no? |
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ebee
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| 20 Aug 2012 01:12 PM |
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Posted By Cooch on 20 Aug 2012 02:00 PM
Well, 3 weeks is light compared to 8, no?
By all accounts here it is better described as compressed. But Gears is right, perhaps I assumed tone that wasn't there. |
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big_dumb_monkey
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| 20 Aug 2012 02:03 PM |
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Posted By Cooch on 20 Aug 2012 02:00 PM
Well, 3 weeks is light compared to 8, no?
We fought this attitude the entire time that we were there.
First Class Petty Officers, CCs, and even Chiefs knocked the DEPOT program down and made embarrassing comments in front of the 8 week companies about DEPOT.
This is an unfortunate attitude that many seem to take and really without good cause.
I really do not understand the attitude. For example, how would an 8 week recruit one week out of basic answer the OPSEC issue? I would venture to say that he/she would belt out the answer. However, I believe that he/she would do so out of lack of experience with the world and not that they are better trained.
Our CCs told us that DEPOT is designed for recruits that do not want to be spoon fed the information. As adults, most in out 30s, we have better methods of retaining information that is given to us. Whether that is by education, experience, or just maturity I do not know. What I do know is that DEPOT is held to a much higher standard than the 8 week people. We are expected to be leaders, to show that we are more mature and better squared away than the average recruit.
Evidence of this is in the galley. All the CCs sit at the table in the front of the chow hall. They all tell each other where we are in the process. Do you really think that the DEPOT CCs are telling the 8 week CCs to go easy on us because we have only been there 04 days? Heck no!!! They are grilling us in the chow hall lines with stuff that the 8 week companies know in the 3rd through 7th weeks. While the 8 week companies are still "sir/mam sandwiching" for the first 07 days we are already addressing personnel properly and expected to know the ranks and collar devices on day 02 and 03.
You tell me the adjective you want to use, but light is insulting. I did not have to join the reserve. I did so for my reasons and beat out a lot of other people to get where I am.
We all wear blue and last time I checked my ODU did not say reserve.
Thanks for backing me on the OPSEC issue.
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Cooch
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| 20 Aug 2012 02:57 PM |
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First of all, you need to stop being wound so tight on this issue. Second, since you did in fact have the rates and ranks class, I expect you to know who you are talking to/arguing with. You can disagree all you want, but your tone needs to be kept in check.
I will reiterate, this is NOT an OPSEC issue. You can fight your active vs reserve battle until you're blue in the face. It's irrelevant as to whether or not this is OPSEC. |
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Gears
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| 20 Aug 2012 03:21 PM |
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BDM,
That attitude permeates the entire CG. It bleeds through active/reserve, rates, pay grades, units, shops.. Everyone else thinks everyone else has it easier, and they are the hardest working bunch in the CG. You'll just have to get used to it until everyone acknowledges that MKs make the CG happen. |
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southern118
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| 20 Aug 2012 04:25 PM |
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Posted By Gears on 20 Aug 2012 04:21 PM
BDM,
That attitude permeates the entire CG. It bleeds through active/reserve, rates, pay grades, units, shops.. Everyone else thinks everyone else has it easier, and they are the hardest working bunch in the CG. You'll just have to get used to it until everyone acknowledges that MKs make the CG happen.
MK might make the CG happen but the MST keep our ports safe!!!! and BDM i would advice you to head the warning of the Chief you are talking to as im sure it wouldnt take long to get your attitude changed. |
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| 20 Aug 2012 04:54 PM |
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Gears I saw a poster of a sailboat on a Cutter and it said "This is what life without MKs looks like".
Word of advice...whether you've drilled yet or not...when a Chief tells you something...it doesn't matter if the Chief is right or wrong....The Chief is right. Arguing/Disagreeing/Backtalking a Chief will land you in a world of hurt. |
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Cooch
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| 20 Aug 2012 05:13 PM |
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Well, Chiefs are not infallible. We are capable of being wrong too. Not often, but it happens.  However, even when someone is wrong, regardless of their rank, there's a right way and a wrong way to let them know. In this case, it's already been established that the chain of command is published on a public site. Therefore, there's no OPSEC to worry about. OPSEC pertains to information that could jeopardize a mission or operations (i.e. patrol areas, port calls, dates, weapons capabilities, etc). Knowing one's chain of command doesn't jeopardize any missions, and in fact, is pretty important to know. |
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Cooch
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| 20 Aug 2012 05:15 PM |
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And we need MK's to balance the force. They keep the egos of the BM's in check. Just like we need BM's to keep breaking things to keep the MK's gainfully employed. It's kind of like they're soul mates. |
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Gears
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| 20 Aug 2012 05:39 PM |
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Gears I saw a poster of a sailboat on a Cutter and it said "This is what life without MKs looks like". There's a joke there, I'll just keep it to myself. MKs bring balance to the Force.. We're the Jedi Knights on the USCG. |
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| 20 Aug 2012 06:55 PM |
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Posted By Cooch on 20 Aug 2012 06:13 PM
Well, Chiefs are not infallible. We are capable of being wrong too. Not often, but it happens. However, even when someone is wrong, regardless of their rank, there's a right way and a wrong way to let them know.
In this case, it's already been established that the chain of command is published on a public site. Therefore, there's no OPSEC to worry about. OPSEC pertains to information that could jeopardize a mission or operations (i.e. patrol areas, port calls, dates, weapons capabilities, etc). Knowing one's chain of command doesn't jeopardize any missions, and in fact, is pretty important to know.
Let's see if I an pull this off
A chief is never wrong as chief has mentioned they might be wrong but as a lesser rank and not a chief we don't point it out and do what is right and allow the chief to still think he is right.
But on that note. They have the experience and are usually correct |
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