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Last Post 12 Mar 2013 02:25 AM by ClaytonR. 37 Replies.
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05 Mar 2013 06:28 AM
I completely agree Bells and understand the traditional legal point of view. However, we are living in unprecedented times and facing issues and securities we have never faced before. Perhaps it's time for a change in the "old school" ways of thinking and start to adapt. The idea of the CG as a "dealer" is kind of ridiculous. However if you look at it as a business and a science, it would make total sense. OK, forget marijuana, what happens to the gazillions of dollars the CG and the US Customs and Border Patrol seizes from illegal activities? Where does that go? In storage somewhere in lock down? I would just love to see everyones hard work pay off in two fold and help the economy out. It's a little outrageous and definitely out of the box, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

I think the early out program could be successful. My wife is a teacher of 17 years has to continue to teach for another 17 years to be eligible for retirement at age 55. That would bring her salary at retirement (projected) around $160k/year. We are both up to the idea of her retiring earlier but the penalties outweigh the benefits. Why not let the older teachers go penalty free and heck, maybe even with a little bonus, and allow all the kids now with education degrees with no jobs jump in and start at 1/4 of what the seasoned teachers are making that could retire? Then those teachers that retire would get part-time jobs which in turn would help feed the economy. Same thing here. I digress.......
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05 Mar 2013 07:42 AM
Generally, after the case is closed the gov't will sell the items and the profit is used to advance law enforcement. Often the agency responsible for the capture gets to keep the funds. At least this is my understanding. As far as the federal gov't adn the coast guard:

"If a Department of Homeland security branch (TSA, COAST GUARD, CBP, ICE, BORDER PATROL) makes the seizure those assets and funds go to a different "Asset forfeiture" account which is controlled by the Treasury. Those funds are controlled by top level persons with in DHS like Janet Napolitano. Although there are checks and balances for those funds a large portion of those assets are used for federal training facilities for BORDER PATROL, ICE AND CBP."

source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does...drug_money

So it appears that on some level we are already keeping and using the seized money and other items of value to pay for further advancement of Homeland Security.
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05 Mar 2013 09:58 AM
Even if it was profitable and practical in every other regard, law enforcement agencies could never sell seized marijuana for the simple fact that it isn't regulated. The money and time they'd spend figuring out if what they seized is up to par to sell for medicinal purposes would likely outweigh any money they'd make off of it.

As for using contractors, the long term costs are probably where it's cheaper (just like it's often cheaper in the private sector to pay overtime than to hire new staff to fill those hours). You don't have to pay benefits (retirement, health care, unemployment insurance, etc) to contractors. You also don't have to pay to train them. So while sometimes they may seem expensive and a waste of money, they can be much cheaper in the long term. Of course you have to balance that with the level of oversight you have over them, and with the challenges of having "outsiders" doing jobs in an organization which prides itself in camaraderie, brotherhood, etc.
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05 Mar 2013 01:59 PM
Boom: Contracting example. We have been needing to get our foc'sle redone since ever. And every year because of money issues it is cut out of the contract with Vigor. This year's quote was 200,000 to prep and paint the freaking foc'sle.

Guess what. We are going to barrow deck growlers from the Polar Star and do it ourselves. Because we don't have any lol. Stuff like that, it's stuff we should be doing in-house, however with only 6 nonrates a few BM3s, it's going to take weeks to a couple months to finish when it would take a crew of 20-30 seaman and bm3s a few weeks.

Take what you like and leave the rest behind.
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05 Mar 2013 04:32 PM
Bells, you have mentioned a large swing in the # of nonrates on one boat as compared to another. Any idea why that is?
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05 Mar 2013 05:31 PM
Posted By jaycaton on 05 Mar 2013 05:32 PM
Bells, you have mentioned a large swing in the # of nonrates on one boat as compared to another. Any idea why that is?
Every boat is different. It all depends on that little piece of paper called "The Cutter Organization Manual". Its what states crew compliments of cutters, but gives no reasoning really behind it. We had almost 30 nonrates on my 270, but only 7 on my current 225 (which is "optimally manned").

If every unit was "optimally manned", there would probably be 5000 less people in the organization. Thats a chunk of $$$ right there...

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05 Mar 2013 10:31 PM
/\ Yup.

Also, the crews of the Polar Sea and the Polar Star merged last year, they might still be extras from that. But yes, the smaller white hulls have way more person per square foot than we do.

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12 Mar 2013 02:25 AM
Posted By Bells on 05 Mar 2013 02:59 PM
Boom: Contracting example. We have been needing to get our foc'sle redone since ever. And every year because of money issues it is cut out of the contract with Vigor. This year's quote was 200,000 to prep and paint the freaking foc'sle.

Guess what. We are going to barrow deck growlers from the Polar Star and do it ourselves. Because we don't have any lol. Stuff like that, it's stuff we should be doing in-house, however with only 6 nonrates a few BM3s, it's going to take weeks to a couple months to finish when it would take a crew of 20-30 seaman and bm3s a few weeks.



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