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CG Aux awards/medals/badges
Last Post 19 Mar 2017 12:13 PM by Canuck. 27 Replies.
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10 Nov 2015 02:09 PM
    So there's this guy who has never served in the coast guard active or reservist. Hes never been to boot camp and says hes in the Aux, but has an aweful lot of rivbons, medals, and badges. Im wondering if these are all legit in the Coast Guard Aux and how that works. How does this guy get all the awards and medals having never signed a contract or served active or reserve duty? Im asking out of my own ignorance, as i cant find an answer online myself.
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    10 Nov 2015 02:54 PM
    Looks like: 

    Dive Officer Badge

    CG Unit Comm Military Ribbon | Good Cookie | Nat Defense
    GWOT Expeditionary Military? | Basic Training Honor Grad?? | ???
    And no clue on the rest.

    Not sure on badge

    Aux Badge
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    11 Nov 2015 08:06 AM
    Badge is issued by the Coast Guaard Academy to Academy Admissions Partners. I have one. The shoulder boards are correct office for the badge. I recognize several of the Aux only ribbons second row from the bottom. I don't recognize the devices just above and below the ribbons. Rifle and pistol quals are the two bottom row outboard. Please remember that (most) ribbons and devices from any prior service branch may be worn on an Aux uniform. We have some ex-Army and ex-Air Force folks who wear theirs. As to whether this person earned what he is wearing, I can't say. If you are also in the Aux, I hope as a Marine you wear yours as well.
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    11 Nov 2015 09:29 AM
    No, I'm not in the Aux. This is just some guy I know and I was trying to understand the regs for an Aux member. I know for a fact he had never served in a active or reserve status and a lot of those ribbons/medals are designated as active/reserve awards. It also confused me how someone who had never commissioned earned/rated an Officer Dive Badge when, to my knowledge, he never did any diving for the military. Like I said, this is just out of my ignorance that I'm trying to understand.. but something just didn't sit right with me when I saw and recognized these awards.
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    11 Nov 2015 01:36 PM
    Roger that. There's some Aux that do the Stolen Valor thing. I hope this guy isn't one of them. Most aren't. Certainly of the ones I've met. My top three are my only three. Two specific for Aux qualifications and the CG Unit Comm for being a breathing member of the Aux on a specific day last year.
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    12 Nov 2015 06:48 AM
    How does a Good Conduct medal work in the coast guard? In the Marines, it's an enlisted only medal and if you see an officer with it, he was prior enlisted before commissioning (Mustang). He claims he a Lieutenant in the Aux but I dont even see that rank listed anywhere. So if he's wearing the Good Conduct ribbon and the Officer Dive badge, wouldn't that imply prior enlistment as well as a commission? Another confusing point was that he's got his NatDef medal, but the GWOT it looks like he's wearing isnt the normal GWOT, I think its the expeditionary GWOT, and I honestly dont know how you earn that one.
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    15 Nov 2015 08:20 PM
    Here is what he is wearing:
    - Coast Guard Scuba Diver Badge (Officer)
    - Coast Guard Unit Commendation*
    - Coast Guard Good Conduct Medal
    - National Defense Service Medal
    - Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal
    - Coast Guard Basic Training Honor Graduate Ribbon
    - Air Force Basic Military Training Honor Graduate Ribbon
    - Coast Guard Auxiliary Specialty Training Ribbon*
    - Coast Guard Auxiliary Examiner Program Ribbon*
    - Coast Guard Auxiliary Instructor Program Ribbon*
    - SGAUS Membership Ribbon (Not authorized on the CGAUX uniform.)
    - Coast Guard Expert Rifleman Medal
    - Coast Guard Expert Pistolshot Medal
    - SGAUS Military Emergency Management Specialist Badge (Not authorized on the CGAUX uniform.)
    - Coast Guard Academy Admissions Partner Program Badge*

    It's an odd mixture. The items marked with an * are the only one's a non-prior service Auxiliarist would be able to earn. If he never served active/reserve/guard it appears he decided to inflate his awards record a bit.
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    16 Nov 2015 05:55 AM
    Thanks, MHC. Makes the rest of us look bad. I can understand why something didn't sit right with FormerMarine.
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    16 Nov 2015 12:17 PM
    Agreed. I'm always on the lookout for stuff like that. I know I sometimes get questions when I wear my full stack because it is a mix of Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard and Auxiliary awards. I'm one of those strange one who served in more than one branch.
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    16 Nov 2015 12:27 PM
    Thanks for the clarification MHC.. Thats honestly exactly what I was thinking, almost down to the ribbon. And you're right Auxnoob, this kinda crap bothers the fuck out of me. People like this "playing military" thinking they deserve the right to claim they're something they're not. There are combat Marines out there with multiple tours in Iraq/Afghanistan that have a smaller rack than this. That sits wrong with me on so many different levels.. and this guy posts this kinda shit out on Facebook for the attention like he's some kinda hardened veteran. The dude had the nerve to post this with the caption "Happy veterans day!" on November 10th, the Marine Corps Birthday.

    So does anyone know the protocol on where/how to report this kinda stuff? If someone could ask someone that might know I would really appreciate it. I don't take lightly our commitment to this country and the contract we signed to protect and defend it. If I didn't try and report it, I feel like I would be endorsing it and submitting to the notion that this is okay. I can't prove he's accepted any sort of monetary gain, so I think it falls out of the realm of "Stolen Valor" but he can at least have to address it to his Aux commanders.
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    17 Nov 2015 06:19 AM
    If we had a name and what Flotilla he's out of, a note to his DIRAUX might be in order. We can't have that in our ranks.
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    16 Dec 2015 10:44 AM
    Yeah, the guy is a fake. He should be reported. I believe this kind of thing warrants discipline up to and including dis-enrollment.

    BTW, FormerMarine, those may look like LT bars on his shoulders, but we don't have ranks in the Auxiliary; we have offices. The red "A" indicates his is an appointed vs elected office. This is kind of confusing to non-Auxiliarists, both military and civilian, I know.
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    17 Dec 2015 05:34 PM
    Posted By NYBo on 16 Dec 2015 11:44 AM
    Yeah, the guy is a fake. He should be reported. I believe this kind of thing warrants discipline up to and including dis-enrollment.

    BTW, FormerMarine, those may look like LT bars on his shoulders, but we don't have ranks in the Auxiliary; we have offices. The red "A" indicates his is an appointed vs elected office. This is kind of confusing to non-Auxiliarists, both military and civilian, I know.
    This is one of the reasons why I'm ok with tossing office insignia - at least military-style insignia. I don't think we should be confused with AD/R officers. Plus it makes the Auxiliary look like we have too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
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    29 Dec 2015 02:26 PM
    Agree with Cowboy or at least restricting office insignia to the period of actual service or the IP period for elected officers.

    If this person can be identified, his leadership should be asked to look into the circumstances surrounding the photo.

    If the photo's subject didn't serve at all and there's no logical explanation to go with the photo (like it was a prop for "how to make yourself and the Auxiliary look bad" class), then I would think there is at least a letter or reprimand coming this guy's way.
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    27 Apr 2016 04:02 PM
    Looks like he also has a Military Emergengy Management Specialist (MEMS) Badge, and ribbon, which is totally legit. I'm just curious about the USCG shooting awards. Otherwise, he's not wearing a Silver/Bronze Star or above. I see no real reason for worry. Bottom line, it looks like precedence is out of order...maybe the second row were earned in National Guard/Civil Air Patrol/State Guard? I just dont know. Defense Service (#3 on top row) is a very basic award. The Diver award....that's iffy.
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    Posted By Recruiterallover on 27 Apr 2016 05:02 PM
    Looks like he also has a Military Emergengy Management Specialist (MEMS) Badge, and ribbon, which is totally legit. I'm just curious about the USCG shooting awards. Otherwise, he's not wearing a Silver/Bronze Star or above. I see no real reason for worry. Bottom line, it looks like precedence is out of order...maybe the second row were earned in National Guard/Civil Air Patrol/State Guard? I just dont know. Defense Service (#3 on top row) is a very basic award. The Diver award....that's iffy.

    I identified and addressed everything this individual is wearing ealier in the post. The SGAUS MEMS badge and membership ribbon are not authorized for wear on the Coast Guard Auxiliary uniform...period. The OP stated that the individual in question never served in the military. Aside from the USCG unit awards and the Auxiliary specific ribbons, none of that other stuff should be worn. No SCUBA Officer bubbles, no NDSM, no USAF or USCG Basic Training Honor Graduate ribbons, no USCG marksmanship medals, none of it. None of those items can be earned as a member of the Coast Guard Auxiliary. The absolute worst part of this is that the guy is wearing a Academy Admissions Partner Program badge, which means he's interacting with the Gold Side and the public on a regular basis.
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    03 May 2016 09:13 AM
    Wow what a Sh*tbag. Someone should request a DD214 and when you receive no record, that should be attached to a note to the DIRAUX. Scumbags like this need to be squashed. I'd like to believe he earned them, but it sounds like FormerMarine is damn sure.
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    Posted By FormerMarine on 10 Nov 2015 03:09 PM
    So there's this guy who has never served in the coast guard active or reservist. Hes never been to boot camp and says hes in the Aux, but has an aweful lot of rivbons, medals, and badges. Im wondering if these are all legit in the Coast Guard Aux and how that works. How does this guy get all the awards and medals having never signed a contract or served active or reserve duty? Im asking out of my own ignorance, as i cant find an answer online myself.

    FormerMarine, thanks for making the OP.

    It suggests that you may be somehow personally acquainted with the guy in the picture or know someone who is.

    Any follow-up?  Were you able to ID the guy's unit and make an inquiry to the flotilla commander?

    I'm open to the idea that maybe a wire got crossed and he actually did serve in both the USCG and a state guard or militia.  In that case, the issues are the state guard ribbons and precedence.  I've seen some good people make those mistakes and correct them immediately when they were pointed out.

    And I want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt that there is a plausible explanation for his ribbon bar.  

    But if he didn't serve in either organization, that ribbon bar isn't an innocent mistake.

    Is it the same as the PoS in CA who tried to pass himself off as a SEAL combat veteran?  No.

    But I don't agree with the notion that "if it's not a false Bronze Star or above, don't sweat it."  Auxiliarists wearing unauthorized insignia and awards do us no favors.


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    09 May 2016 11:12 AM
    He was a member of my Unit. He is no longer an Auxiliarist and the Issue has been sent up the chain of leadership and management. The bottom line is if an auxiliarist has ever served in the military they must submit a copy of their DD form 214 upon application. This form is maintained at the directors office and will verify whether or not he earned these awards. Not much can be done now that he is no longer in the auxiliary, however he can be barred from future enrollment.

    I have a feeling that this individual sensed the fire getting hot under him and jumped overboard before he could be burned.
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    16 May 2016 02:19 PM
    It also looks like the silver device is the State Guard Association of the US Military Emergency Management Specialist Device which is not authorized. As mentioned previously, this person needs some serious talking to about ribbon wear. I question their integrity and would not want them in the same Auxiliary that I am in.
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    07 Jun 2016 10:21 AM
    Gentlemen,
    Although the photo in this example shows someone who was violating both regulations and honorable behavior don't assume an Aux. with various service decorations on his or her uniform is 'stealing valor' or behaving dishonorably. One of my members served in 2 wars in 2 other branches of the service, Army in Korea and Air Force in Vietnam) before joining CG Aux. and I would suggest that folks be polite when asking about their decorations, ribbons and devices.

    Even without prior service, Aux. can indeed be awarded many active duty ribbons. I've been awarded a Special Operations ribbon twice. Aux. are allowed to qualify for nearly any active duty assignment and qualification that doesn't require deputized law enforcement or shooting combat and there are associated devices which an Aux. is authorized to wear. If an Aux. who never served in any other capacity is offered duty in the arctic, they may indeed be awarded a ribbon for that. If an Aux. qualifies as a dive instructor or range instructor or any other specialized certification, they may (or may not) end up with a device.

    I've been involved with dealing with a 'bad aux' a couple of times. I'm sorry to see that the guy in the photo above was screwing around and dishonoring the uniform. It's sad and stains the honor of all. If you have a question, this forum is a good place to ask but it's always best to tread lightly when in person. The fact that I might not recognize a ribbon on a uniform from one of my members who earned his 'stripes' in WWII doesn't mean I have any right to hassle him or her.
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    09 Jun 2016 11:13 PM
    Such odd choices to wear, as well. Who lies about having a NDSM? Haha
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    Posted By The14th on 10 Jun 2016 12:13 AM
    Who lies about having a NDSM? Haha

    You might be surprised.

    On the military.com forums there was a guy (who is on this forum under the same handle) that was advocating that Auxiliarists be authorized NDSM and GWOT in recognition of certain activities.  Absolute bling houndary.

    NDSM = served on active duty.  (Although it's only authorized for those who served during a period of national emergency, in which we seem to be perpetually with this "war on terrorism.")  So someone wanting to build a fraudulent rack would probably add NDSM to it.

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    12 Jun 2016 04:14 PM
    Posted By PotomacAux on 11 Jun 2016 05:46 AM
    Posted By The14th on 10 Jun 2016 12:13 AM
    Who lies about having a NDSM? Haha

    You might be surprised.

    On the military.com forums there was a guy (who is on this forum under the same handle) that was advocating that Auxiliarists be authorized NDSM and GWOT in recognition of certain activities.  Absolute bling houndary.

    NDSM = served on active duty.  (Although it's only authorized for those who served during a period of national emergency, in which we seem to be perpetually with this "war on terrorism.")  So someone wanting to build a fraudulent rack would probably add NDSM to it.


    I suppose so. Just makes me laugh to think about someone who didn't earn one wearing it, considering it's one of those "Good job, you graduated basic/OSUT, here have this ribbon."
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    24 Jun 2016 11:12 AM
    Vic, You are absolutely correct. My deputy was awarded the Silver Star and a number of Air Medals for his chopper pilot duties in Nam as a WO.
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    13 Feb 2017 07:12 AM
    Can some one explain the ribbons on this gentleman's Coast Guard Auxilary uniform. He had served in Viet Nam for two years and his DD214 only reflects two medals.
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    19 Mar 2017 12:13 PM
    Perhaps this man is a Canadian, Brit or other allied servicemen?  

    As a former Canadian Army officer I attended a number of military schools in the U.S.A. and was properly awarded qualification badges such as the US Army jump wings.  Also when Canadian Forces (I believe this is also true for other allied forces) members are assigned to U.S. units and formations (like in the case of NORAD, Northern Command, CENTCOM, USSOC, etc) on exchange duty, they also are awarded American ribbons and medals that are earned for overseas and other service (although they are not permitted to wear them in Canadian uniform unless regulations permit, for example the U.S. Army Ranger tab is permitted). Like wise American personnel assigned to Canadian Formations are often awarded Canadian honours and decorations.  

    Following my Canadian service I went to work for Boeing Canada in Toronto, Ontario and eventually I was transferred to operations in the U.S., after the 911 Terror Attacks occurred, with Green Card and SSN in hand, I felt compelled to Volunteer... Too old for the National Guard service I was enlisted in the New York Army Guard a State Defense Force.  

    My former military service was verified (FYI since 1942 there IS a JOINT Canada-USA permanent Defense Board), however, not being born in the USA or a U.S. Citizen I was not offered a Commission, instead I was enlisted as a MSG (E-8) assigned to the HHC as an Ops NCO in the S-2 staff.  I had no DD-214 but anyway I was told to put up the U.S. awards I had proudly earned (however, I was not authorized to wear my Canadian awards).  Later, I wore the U.S. ribbons and badges in order with the ribbons awarded for my service with the State of New York. 

    However, sometimes when my uniform was scrutinized by members in the U.S. Forces for whom my ribbons and badges did not seem to follow the established pattern for someone with just State Guard service,  I thanked God for my broad shoulders, EH!

    I am glad to read you are all speaking out about this...however, I write this because sometimes we all have to think outside of the box.  During my service in the State Guard I realized there are quiet a few Canadians with former service who are enrolled in the U.S. Forces and here where I live in my retirement in Florida I have bumped into a few USCG AUX who are Canadian (although perhaps with dual pass ports or with one parent being American which is more common then one might think).  There could be a valid explanation, perhaps even an honorable and legal one as there was in my case. However, I never did get asked or challenged on it ...as I suppose it is easier to give an icy stare then to speak out to find the reason. But I grew up with a lot of ICE !

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