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CWO and military courtesy
Last Post 03 Nov 2016 01:25 PM by RCRice. 9 Replies.
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05 Jan 2016 11:29 AM
    In your experience, is it customary to salute a CWO or is it one of those "Don't salute me. I work for my living" situations? Just curious. Auxman says to salute commissioned officers and a CWO has a commission.
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    05 Jan 2016 01:28 PM
    Salute! They wear Gold, you salute. Some might not require you to salute them, having the "work for a living" type attitude. But it truly isn't an option. They are officers. Also, even if the CWO doesn't mind if you don't salute, the CDR walking down the pier behind him might get really pissed off if you don't. When in doubt, throw it out.
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    06 Jan 2016 05:12 PM
    An officer is an officer. Whats the worst that can happen when you salute him?
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    16 Jan 2016 05:37 PM
    I have heard two schools of thought on this from my ckain of leadership: 1. Salute any gold side officer. 2. Salute officers if their rank exceeds what yours would be based on your office insignia (i.e. as if we had actual ranks). The AUXMAN is a little ambiguous on this point.
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    17 Jan 2016 06:18 AM
    Full of wisdom you are, OG. An officer is an officer - regardless of rank, throw the salute. If someone gets bent out of shape by it ("I work for a livin', son"), tell them its simply out of respect.
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    17 Jan 2016 03:30 PM
    Posted By NYBo on 16 Jan 2016 06:37 PM
    I have heard two schools of thought on this from my ckain of leadership: 1. Salute any gold side officer. 2. Salute officers if their rank exceeds what yours would be based on your office insignia (i.e. as if we had actual ranks). The AUXMAN is a little ambiguous on this point.

    One of the AUXMANS actually said to salute officer's with more stripes; but the phrase was caught by someone who considered it a mistake. that person showed it to the gold side along with their opinion and it was yanked. I'm not sure if it was a draft copy of the auxman and yanked from the real deal OR it was a real deal and yanked in the next edition of the real deal. But I think that leaves a consensus that all silver stripes salute all gold stripes.
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    17 Jan 2016 03:44 PM
    RE: Some might not require you to salute them, having the "work for a living" type attitude.

    it's usually non-commissioned officers and petty officers that have this attitude. Warrant officers are more likely to have the "hey, the second word in warrant officer is the word OFFICER! why am I being treated differently.." attitude. A warrant officer is considered a specialist in his field, while a commissioned officer is expected to be a generalist. Both are more about what they know, (management) not what they do (product or service).

    When in doubt, whip it out. 
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    for the record, a CWO has a warrant, not a commission, that's why they are warrant officers. Some of the senior ranks of warrant officers actually DO have commissions, so you're basically correct.
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    17 Jan 2016 05:25 PM
    Only W-1's hold a warrant. The only branches that currently use that paygrade are the Army and the Marine Corps. Paygrades W-2 thru W-5 are full commissioned officers in all branches.
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    18 Jan 2016 07:32 PM
    Posted By MHC5096 on 17 Jan 2016 06:25 PM
    Only W-1's hold a warrant. The only branches that currently use that paygrade are the Army and the Marine Corps. Paygrades W-2 thru W-5 are full commissioned officers in all branches.

    And thus the statement that 'senior" warrant officers actually *do* have commissions, and that the OP was therefore basically correct...
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    03 Nov 2016 01:25 PM
    My experience working for a Cutter, is that no one expects me to salute. When I do, they seem to regard it as an unexpected bit of good manners.  

    The worst that can happen, is someone tells you - "you don't need to do that" or " I work for a living" 

    The junior officers, in particular, are amused to be saluted by someone old enough to be their father or grandfather. 

    But, for me - I choose to err on the side of a bit too much formality, rather than a bit too little. 


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