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Alcoholic Incidents
Last Post 30 Oct 2019 06:56 PM by 11b2uscg. 8 Replies.
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09 Mar 2018 08:09 PM
    Hey everyone,

    Not new the the forum never signed up but I have been off and on the forum for a couple years. 

    Here is the rundown, been in about 4 years now I am still a non rate. I just had my second alcoholic incident and I know that is cause for removal from the Coast Guard. I was just wondering if anyone has any insight on how to be able to be retained, or ever heard of anyone that has been. 

    I love what we do as a branch, and I am not a bad individual I just have made a couple bad choices. Any input would help. Thanks
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    10 Mar 2018 06:04 PM
    I could be wrong but I don't think it is cause for removal, I think it is automatic removal. I do not think there is a choice to be retained. Your contract cannot be renewed.
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    10 Mar 2018 09:37 PM
    Thanks for the input mkelly. I’m just going off what the manual CIM 1000.10 which is the CG Drug and Alcohol manual it states

    Enlisted members involved in a second alcohol incident will normally be processed for separation in accordance within Article 1.B.15. of reference (c), Military Separations, COMDTINST M1000.4 (series).

    (1) Request for Retention. Commanding officers retain the authority to request retention of those enlisted members who they believe warrant such exception. However, retention of enlisted members following a second alcohol incident should not be considered a routine action. In those cases when a commanding officer feels that mitigating circumstances or an exceptional situation warrants consideration for retention, a letter request for retention and treatment, including the medical screening results, treatment plan, and commanding officer's recommendation concerning treatment shall be forwarded via the chain of command to Commander (CG PSC-EPM) who shall consult with Commandant (CG-112) and direct the appropriate action regarding retention. The command recommendation for retention will be submitted as a cover letter to the required discharge package.

    So my question is, has anyone heard of this program on being retained?
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    10 Mar 2018 10:18 PM
    It wouldn't matter if I knew of someone who was retained after a second alcohol incident. Every one is different. If you've had two incidents, clearly there's an issue.
    "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."-Jonathan Swift
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    11 Mar 2018 10:10 AM
    Actions have consequences. No one is saying you're a bad person, like you said, just some mistakes. But those mistakes are going to cost you.
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    11 Mar 2018 03:02 PM
    So the way that reads is that you have to be processed for discharge and the CO can put a cover letter on there requesting you not be discharged. I don't really know anything about you but a 4 year non-rate with 2 alcohol incidents has a lot of cards stacked against you. Is your command requesting you not be discharged?

    CRISP is another thing that is going to make it almost impossible for you to stay in. Whatever "A" school list your name is on, it will be taken off and you are going to have to wait to put it back on, and then wait to go to the school. By the time you are out of school, you will have almost no time before you are processed out for not advancing. What do you have to offer to the Coast Guard as reason they pay to train you again and keep you in? This is the question your CO will have to answer.

    I wish you the best of luck but I'm afraid you may need something more than luck to get you through this. Learn from it and land on your feet running
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    12 Mar 2018 05:39 PM
    NRD,

    I have only ever submitted retention request for senior enlisted members who are close to retirement and/or had a long gap (10+ years) between their last alcohol incident. I would never do it for anyone in your situation. With this track record, you would have 3 more by the time you are eligible for retirement and that is just a waste of everyone's time and money.

    A lot of people have left the service under worse circumstances and gone on to do wonderful things with their life. I wish you the best.
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    21 Oct 2019 01:43 PM
    Good Day, I’ve recently had a second alcohol incident and I have 2.5 years of active duty time. The first time I got off with a negative page 7. Now, I realize that this second AI is going to have much greater consequences. Neither one of my alcohol incidents were in violation of the UCMJ but being maintained in the service via the Second Chance Policy is rare and based on numerous factors. I wanna think that I can still repair my Coast Guard career but the odds are clearly against me. I was on the HS A-School list at the time but I really screwed things up. Its been about two months now since my second incident but im just trying to go about thinking theres still a shot at staying in. Any thoughts based on the situation? Thank you.
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    30 Oct 2019 06:56 PM
    Honestly I'm kinda surprised they didn't kick you out after the first one. Your command can vouch for you but at the end of the day it might be beyond their control. All you can do is talk to your command.
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