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Use of Information Collected During Boardings?
Last Post 16 Nov 2018 06:35 PM by USCG OPS SPEC. 5 Replies.
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15 Oct 2018 12:10 PM
    Hello,

    I am a member of a kayaking group - Great Lakes region.

    We are curious as to what the information that is collected during routine "boardings"/"safety inspections" is used for.   They take information, such as your birth date and address, they don't ask for ID, and they check your life jacket.  They also take the hull ID.  (They do ask for ID when they inspect a boat w/motor that has to be registered.) 

    In one instance a member lost his kayak (left camping, bad weather, came back, and it apparently got washed out).  He had been inspected the previous summer.  He reported the kayak lost to the IL police, not the CG.  A couple days later the Sheriff (not the PD) contacted him - as it turned up and someone reported it, and they had located him through a very round-about method, while the CG had his current address.  (He gave the PD the Hull ID, which the Sheriff didn't know about. Not a lot of information sharing.)

    In another instance, one of our members had an out-of-state warrant for failure to pay child support.  He had been dodging it for a few years, which we didn't know about.  He was with us, and he gave the CG his address (would he have given incorrect info if we weren't listening - who knows).  We found out several months later he was worried they'd come knocking on his door, but they never did.   He told us about it months later, after he got an attorney, paid up, and got the warrant cleared.

    So we are wondering what exactly is done with the information that's collected.  Form CG-4100 "Report of Boarding" is the receipt that is given.  A Google search on this says the form is "scanned" into their database.

    The back of the form gives a list of things the CG enforces, which is all water, immigration, and fishing related.  It appears the CG is only interested in that, and the info is collected for internal use only.

    Maybe with some recent events regarding missing boaters, and the CG public promotion of giving out Kayak owner ID stickers to fill out, they are doing more to share Kayak ownership data.

    Thanks for any clarification.



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    15 Oct 2018 12:54 PM
    The information is entered into our internal database, like you said. As far as what agencies access that info, you'd have to do some digging. We do share with other LE agencies and other DOD entities, but that information is not for public use. The main use would be other Coast Guard units that are using the info. Say a unit in Miami, Fl enters the information then a unit in Jacksonville accessed it for their own use or assisting a Jacksonville law enforcement agency. We also have our own investigative service that would use it. As far as I'm aware, we dont take public records request.
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    18 Oct 2018 10:54 AM
    I don't believe the CG honestly cares about overdue child support, unless it is one of their members. So that isn't something that would come up.
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    18 Oct 2018 05:41 PM
    Law enforcement on the aviation side is a bit different than the boat side. Most of the time we are just making sure people aren't fishing in areas they aren't supposed to be and relaying any information back to sector or a boat nearby. That being said, I have gone on a few flights where we have been briefed to keep an eye out for a certain boat Where the owner had a warrant out and we would relay their position back to local LE.
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    30 Oct 2018 12:50 PM
    Old Guard2: One of the reasons for asking is the CG doesn't ask for ID or SSN, at least with kayak boardings, just name, DOB, and address.   Do they ever try to resolve what unique person is involved when they enter the data in their database later?  It seems to me if they did, it seems that local LE would have had a current address to pick up the guy on the warrant.  So it seems the data is just used internally with the CG.  Maybe with boats that are registered, where they ask for ID (directly uniquely identifying the person), local LE sees the data?  I understand that a full name and DOB alone can usually uniquely identify someone, but I also see that the CG has its own mission objectives. 




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    16 Nov 2018 06:35 PM
    John_D, The CG is mostly just doing a safety check on you. The information they collect is entered into our internal databases, it is not openly shared. If another agency wanted information on you they would request it through us. As for the Hull ID, they just want to be able to put a name to a vessel/kayak in case it is every lost or adrift at sea. If someone reports your kayak being unmanned and adrift, they CG's default response is that there is a person missing in the water somewhere. If we know whos kayak it is, and basic information to contact you, they will do so to rule out distress. Information collected by the CG should not scare you.
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