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06 Nov 2018 07:15 PM
    I understand that Coasties are allotted 30 days of leave every year. Can someone explain how this works? If someone doesn't use all 30 days of leave, do they roll over into the next year? How does leave work for someone on a duty rotation? (Pilots, duty standers at a sector, etc.)
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    06 Nov 2018 08:08 PM
    You take leave when you want or can. It gets approved or it gets denied. You can accrue up to 60 days. Anything over that will be removed at the start of the fiscal year, Oct 1st. There are other rules as well but that's the basics.
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    07 Nov 2018 09:45 AM
    Just to add on to what Stealth offered. You earn 2.5 days for every month. That's why you get 5 days leave after boot camp. You earned 2.5 days for each of the months you were in Cape May. That gives you 5 days, you take the 5 days prior to reporting to your command. You could also possibly get travel time which are additional days not counted towards your leave balance. But distance plays into how many days, if any, that you are eligible to receive. Mode of transportation factors in as well.
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    08 Nov 2018 09:56 AM
    How does leave work for duty rotations. The same way it works for everyone else. If you don't want to work on a particular day, you have to put in a leave request for that day whether it is a weekday or a weekend.

    30 days can get eaten up pretty quickly especially if your command actually follows the leave rules. For example you want to take a vacation far away from home that goes Saturday morning to the next Saturday afternoon. in a Mon-Fri civilian job you would ask for 5 days of vacation during that time to cover the days you would work and you would normally be off the weekend. However, It will cost you 8 days of leave in the military because you have to ensure the time is all covered within that leave time.

    There are tricks and some looking the other way that might allow you to shrink that time down but if you were to go by the letter of the law, it would cost you 8 days. But you are still getting 30 days so it is better than most employers.

    To circle back around to the watch stander question, here is a quick example. Let's say you are on a 3 day rotation where you have to be at the station for three days straight then you are off three days in a row. I am totally making this up for an example. You end on Friday and want to take leave Saturday through the next Saturday. During that time your next watch rotation would be Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday and would then have to be on station the next Monday. Using the civilian model, you would only have to take 3 days of vacation to cover Tues- Thurs. In the military version you have to take 8 days Sat-Sat for that same amount of time.

    The rules can get fuzzy and may vary from station to station. This allows some to manipulate the rules a bit. Some stations have a mileage rule where you only have to take leave if you are traveling outside of a certain radius from the base. Because of that, some will argue that if I am closer that that in the above scenario, I would only have to take leave for the three days. But then other rules come into play where you cannot go from a pass status (any time you are off work regularly) to leave status, back to pass status and it could be argued you would still have to take eight days.

    All of that is confusing so it generally comes down to this. If you want time off, you will have to request leave for the entire time period whether you would have already had those days off or not.
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    09 Nov 2018 07:16 AM
    Sardaddy, You can go liberty/leave/liberty. You just can't go leave liberty leave. In your above scenario, I would certainly put in a no duty/out of bounds chit(if I was traveling past whatever the certain distance is) and then submit leave for the 5 days. This would give you 9 days of off time for only using 5. If I have a lot of leave saved up, then I don't mind burning it and I'll put it in for all the days but for people who are short leave, you can certainly spend 5 days of leave for the 9 days if your duty section/rotation can handle it. You can even snivel for an oncoming duty on the next Monday and get an extra half day to recover/unpack before you head back to work. There are no regulations that you would be skirting and nobody looking the other way. That is all perfectly legal.

    Now, if you do that too many times, people may start to get upset because they are picking up the slack while you are gone, but once a year or two should be fine. Everybody in my shop wants everybody to take as much earned leave as they would like and we are all happy to pick up the slack. We all know our time will come where we may need or want to take a chunk of leave.

    Nobody I work with wants to screw our duty rotation or work schedule. We try not to take as much leave during transfer season and busy times. Typically the guys without families choose to volunteer for duty on family holidays like Christmas and I try to volunteer for duty on holidays that single people would like to go to parties for such as New Years or St Patricks day.

    Leave will be explained in boot camp and each unit/shop has their own vibe on how they use it. There are hard rules ( like no leave/liberty/leave) and unit specific rules such as what to do if you are traveling more than a specified distance away( I've seen 200 or 250 miles as a rule for out of bounds). It may sounds complicated but it makes sense once you're here.
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