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Last Post 28 Sep 2009 11:08 AM by BCK_85. 39 Replies.
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15 Sep 2009 12:36 PM
    I am in the process of putting together my OCS application, and I have found that I meet the minimum requirement for the ACT, however, is minimum enough? Would it be advisable to take the ASVAB to try and get a higher scoring and more competitive entrance application? My only worry is that I'm not the worlds greatest test taker. I have a 3.8 College GPA, but the Emergency Administration and Planning BS Program that I graduated with is mostly essays and project based (They want to see you can actually "be in charge" and "make decisions" verses bubbling in a memorized answer). So there is a chance of me hurting or disqualification myself from applying to OCS. OR, if I take the ASVAB and don't do as well as I thought, could I not include the ASVAB on my application and enter only with the ACT score? I know this is a twisted weird thought process, but I want to be as competitive as possible. I greatly desire to be an CG Officer, and have been training for this for a long time. Any knowledge or advice in this area would be very helpful. Thank You!
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    17 Sep 2009 11:48 AM
    I'm bumping my self... Does anyone know? or is there a post that I've missed that already discusses this? Thanks :)
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    17 Sep 2009 08:24 PM
    Minimum requirements are just that. OCS is a very, very competitive process. A minimum ACT/SAT/ASVAB is not going to be competitive (unless you bring a LOT to the table). If you had a minimum ACT score, I strongly suggest taking the SAT,the ASVAB, and possibly the ACT over. Use the highest score of the three for your application. You will only enter one score on your application.

    Hope this helps!


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    18 Sep 2009 12:17 AM
    Especially when you are coming off the street. I think the last numbers I heard was that out of 30 people accepted to OCS this past year, only 3 came off the street. If you want to be in that group, you have to be competitive. It's very similar to coming in enlisted as far as competing, only now it's about 1000% harder.


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    18 Sep 2009 12:11 PM
    Great! haha, so know I have to start studying for the ASVAB. Thanks for the info, I have been wondering about that. I was worried that in my attempt to improve my score that I might accidentally hurt it.
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    18 Sep 2009 02:41 PM
    Always that possibility, Just do your best!


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    18 Sep 2009 05:16 PM
    I was talking to someone in my class today, and he had just recently taken his ASVAB for the Marines, and he said you take a pre-test there before the actual test? Do they always do this?

    I guess just to make sure your not wasting your time, if you know absolutely nothing.
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    19 Sep 2009 02:21 PM
    That depends upon the recruiter or office. I offer those I think may need it a chance to take a practice, but more often than not, I just test them.


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    19 Sep 2009 05:02 PM
    You can take a practice test at www.military.com if you are unsure how you will do.


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    20 Sep 2009 02:18 AM
    Well I bought the ASVAB for dummies book, read through it all. Have not started the practice tests in it yet.

    But on my first full length practice test online I got a 53 :(

    I suck at math, and I thought I was good at word comprehension, but apparently not to good.

    I really would like to take my ASVAB soon, but it looks like I have a lot more studying to do.
    Disappointed. haha.
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    21 Sep 2009 11:23 AM
    Sammy T is letting me use the book he used to study for the ASVAB ... So i'm gonna take a practice exam on it to see where I'm at.
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    21 Sep 2009 09:10 PM
    Well, I ended up going neither way to the Coast Guard nor the Air Force,

    taking my ASVAB tomorrow for the Marines.
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    21 Sep 2009 09:16 PM
    Ooh-Rah!
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    21 Sep 2009 09:19 PM
    Haha, I really did not think I was to ready for it, but I took a short practice one at the office today, and got a 59, he said the average was about 44, so mine was pretty good.

    And so I am scheduled to take it tomorrow, and if my dad signs the papers for MEPs by the end of October, I will be off to BT in June a week after I graduate.

    :)

    Although my dads first words were "...you know how tuff that is gonna be?"

    I am trying for a job in crash fire rescue,

    and then if I do not decide staying in after my 4 years, I am going to apply for a civilian fire fighter.
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    22 Sep 2009 01:10 AM
    Just curious. What pursuaded you to go from deciding between the CG and AF to going to the Marines? That's a pretty good leap there.


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    22 Sep 2009 01:48 AM
    Yeh really big leap I know.

    Well I am really going for a job as crash/fire rescue.
    And after talking to a lot of people in the Air Force it seemed like a really tuff job to get because of the low amount of fired and such.

    And one of my friends in my class is joining the Marines, and told me to go check it out, so I did, took my practice ASVAB and everything and did good on it.
    So tomorrow I take my ASVAB, and I was almost guaranteed a job in crash/fire rescue in the Marines, as long as I score well enough on my ASVAB of course.

    And I know that I should make sure it is in paper that I will get that job before signing,
    so hopefully this works out.
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    22 Sep 2009 11:57 AM
    Just make sure that it's what you want to do. Yes, the Coast Guard may have a long wait, but if this is where you want to be, it's worth it. If being a Marine is what you want, go for it. Just make sure you get the 'warm and fuzzy' before you go signing yuor paperwork.


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    22 Sep 2009 12:20 PM
    What ASVAB score would be considered "competitive" for OCS?
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    22 Sep 2009 10:15 PM
    Well,
    I only made a 54 on my ASVAB today.
    But I got the requirements for my crash/fire rescue job.

    And my recruiter told me it is a guarantee, and that it will be in paper.
    He is supposed to be coming to talk with my parents tomorrow, and hopefully they will sign the MEPs papers so I can already go and get my physical and everything done on friday.

    If my dad signs the papers, he is now going against what he said that if it is something I want to do then he will sign it, and he thinks the recruiter is lying, and my mom thinks they are going to send me into combat.

    So hopefully they will sign.
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    22 Sep 2009 10:20 PM
    Your parents job is to worry about you. I worry about my kids as well. They are human. Have them write down all their questions, good or bad, for your recruiter.


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    22 Sep 2009 11:51 PM
    Yeh i know,
    and after reading some on some marine forums today, some things seem a little different than what I was told.
    So I am going to meet with my recruiter some more and go over a lot of things and also have my parents.
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    23 Sep 2009 11:57 AM
    Sorry, but I think it's funny that the average score for Marines was 44 and most CG recruiters won't even look at you inf you get lower than a 60-65.


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    23 Sep 2009 10:24 PM
    Speaking of the ASVAB, I am applying for OCS for the upcoming panel. Recruiting Command requested that I take the ASAB even though I was exempt from it the first time. They only gave me 4 days notice.

    I went to Barnes and Noble and bought the ASVAB for Dummies book. The book had me losing my mind. For OCS you need a high score, plus a combined 109 on the GT scale. Every practice test I took I scored exactly a 109.

    When I sat down to take the test I felt that it was easy. I scored a 92 overall and a 125 out of 130 on the GT scale. I feel that the ASVAB for Dummies book is great because it is harder than the actual test. If you get that book and really learn it, you will score at least 15-20 points higher on the actual test. The real ASVAB is easier than the book.


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    24 Sep 2009 01:13 AM
    Yeh I got that same book, but only read through it for about 4 days which is probably why I got a 54 on my asvab. Should have waited a lot longer, but I got what I needed for my job so I am satisfied.

    But the book really is hard I was thinking the same thing.
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    24 Sep 2009 12:31 PM
    109 on GT scale? I'm guessing that the book will explain how the scoring is done right?
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    24 Sep 2009 02:33 PM
    It explains how all of the line scores are used.  For OCS, they base your score on the GT scale.  That is: AR+VE=GT.  AR is the Arithmotic Reasoning, and the VE is a combination of Word Knowledge and Paragraph Comp.  All jobs that you apply for will have the line scores involved as well.

    For example, to be an aircraft mechanic, you need to have a high score on that line.  I believe that involves Math Knowledge, Auto Shop, Mechanical. 

    For Operations you need another combination. 

    The book sort of explains it all, but the recruiter can help you out more.    Here are some links that may help you also.

    Click score conversion Table.  An Excel Spread sheet will come up that lists all of the Line Score combinations and the minimum score for each.


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    24 Sep 2009 06:58 PM
    So if I understood this right...?
    If I got 28 questions right in AR. 28 is the RAW score and 63 is the actual score? (looking at the conversion table).
    If that table is correct then I would add PC to WK (in the practice I got a 60 and a 54 respectively) then divide them by two? (get the average, right?) for my VE score...
    Then I add my VE score (57) to my AR score (63) to get my GT score (120) right?

    Just asking because it still is a bit confusing...
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    24 Sep 2009 07:34 PM
    ok I think I messed up my VE score... It is the sum of the two raw scores (PC and WK) and then converted to the VE score (55). So my GT score is 118. Is this good? Compared to others I mean. I think I can improve it. I have not done any study yet.
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    24 Sep 2009 08:47 PM
    Well hell- it seems you must have a degree just to figure the scores of the tests out!!! 


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    The AFQT score is based on the math and English portions and is percentile so it tells you everything you need to know about how you did relative to others on the Math and English parts.<!-- Edit -->

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