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15 Jan 2011 05:12 AM
Well I'm just about done putting together my OCS packet, but I'm not persay looking to be a pilot (yeah that'd be cool, but I've still got many of my options open)

No, I was just looking at the things that I could do and want to do. In an ideal world, I'd probably like to go PA, but I know that they aren't really letting people into that lately. So I'm trying to explore any and all options. I'm a pretty versatile person. I've looked at the various jobs and seen A LOT of stuff I think I could (and would enjoy) doing. So I just want to narrow it down a bit (and hopefully have a general idea no how likely it is for me to get in.) I saw the article on the USCG snipers and thought "That would be cool, but how likely is it that I could even get in?" While I've thought about eye surgery, it's expensive, and if I can't even get into ANY flight profession it's not worth it.
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15 Jan 2011 05:08 PM
Udpate 2. So this week went good in the airman program, i found out that i was doing 13 and 14 out test for the flight surgeon to make sure im fine, then i might get to stay in the airman program awaiting orders but wouldnt get to go to school right away, So i would have to put my name back on the list, the ast detailer said i might get to stay after my pt out test evalm either way im glad im back!
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20 Jan 2011 06:03 AM
So I don't know that I got the answer I was looking for. Are these snipers rated with AST? Or would they be more GM?

And if someone could find information on specific sight requirements I'd be very thankful.
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22 Jan 2011 03:55 PM
I believe the HITRON units are going to be where you find stuff like helo gunners. I think anyone who is aircrew qual'd can get the gunner position...but I could be wrong. I read at one point that they were having better luck getting airdales qualified on the guns, than getting GMs qualified as an aircrew member. With that said, I would imagine that any of the aviation rates, GM, or maybe even ME could be part of a HITRON unit.

The person to ask would be sardaddy, he knows his helo ops stuff!
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23 Jan 2011 06:10 PM
I've also heard that GM spend more time fixing guns than they do shooting them.
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24 Jan 2011 05:45 AM
Yeah, reading the description on gocoastguard.com, it sounds like that's the case bikesnotscott. So it'd be better for me to attempt to go AST then it seems, but I still wonder about the sight regulations there. I really hate that my vision isn't perfect and even more so because it's not THAT bad. I'm afraid it's JUST enough to DQ me from stuff like this.
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24 Jan 2011 07:51 PM
It is to my understanding that you need to have 20/20 vision to qualify for any aviation rate. Correct me if i'm wrong.

I had a discussion with an officer who pilots a HU-25 Falcon and he told me that he had to have corrective surgery so he could attend flight school. He told me that there is only ONE type of procedure that the CG will allow you to get and then work in aviation. It is not Lasik, it's the other one... I forget the name.
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24 Jan 2011 08:42 PM
Posted By bikesnotscott on 24 Jan 2011 08:51 PM
It is to my understanding that you need to have 20/20 vision to qualify for any aviation rate. Correct me if i'm wrong.

I had a discussion with an officer who pilots a HU-25 Falcon and he told me that he had to have corrective surgery so he could attend flight school. He told me that there is only ONE type of procedure that the CG will allow you to get and then work in aviation. It is not Lasik, it's the other one... I forget the name.


I'm pretty sure your vision just has to be CORRECTABLE to 20/20. In other words, if you can wear lenses to achieve the 20/20 you should be able to get a waiver.

I could be wrong, but I know for a fact that there are people in the aviation rates who have glasses/contacts.

I don't have time to find the regs right now, but chuckles is sure to know them as he's in aviation and he knows his stuff!

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Posted By Eoghan Roe on 20 Jan 2011 07:03 AM
So I don't know that I got the answer I was looking for. Are these snipers rated with AST? Or would they be more GM?

And if someone could find information on specific sight requirements I'd be very thankful.


For simple verbiage, the CG doesn't have snipers. We have Precision Marksmen (PMs). It is a legal thing. Anyway, there are a few types of units that have PMs. AUF units and HITRON, In either case, the PMs are now aviation ratings. We initially had GMs at HITRON but we found that is easier to make a qualified aircrewman a gunner than it is to make a GM, or any other rating for that matter, a qualified aircrewman. This is only because the aviation requirements are so stringent that a fully qualified GM may not be physically qualified to be an aircrewman. PMs are now pretty much AMTs or AETs with a very few ASTs thrown in. 

As far as the sight requirements go, I am only sure about the pilots. We have to have 20/20 vision to start flight school. Once we start flying we can wear glasses. So as long as we pass the initial vision test, we can go to the flight surgeon after our first flight and tell him we can't see. As long as we can get corrected to 20/20 at that point we are good to go.

I hope that helped.
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27 Jan 2011 05:52 AM
It did thank you kindly. I feel AET and AMT getting higher on my list.
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14 Feb 2011 06:54 AM
FYI
Between air station Kodiak and St. Paul last week there were 15 souls saved. Most of them from the water.
An AST named Claude saved 5 souls alone in 25ft seas.
Good job air crews & specially ASTs.
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14 Feb 2011 11:41 AM
Anyone lost Sunny? So glad they are out there to protect those on the water. I had a friend was on a fishing vessel when I lived on Kodiak... I hated he was out there, glad I knew people that were ready to rescue him God forbid he ever needed it.
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14 Feb 2011 12:19 PM

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, today commended the United States Coast Guard for the rescue of 18 fishermen in four incidents over the last two months in Alaskan waters.

The most recent incident occurred early Friday morning when the Coast Guard rescued five fishermen from a grounded vessel near Kodiak Island. This was the second major rescue in a week; on February 8, the Coast Guard saved five fishermen from a grounded vessel near Unalaska in the Aleutian Islands.
On January 25, the Coast Guard rescued three fishermen from a vessel taking on water in Prince William Sound, and in late December, the Coast Guard made a dramatic rescue of five people from a sinking fishing boat near Petersburg.

“I commend the Coast Guard for all of these incredible rescues. In a little over a month the Coast Guard has saved 18 lives in Alaska,” Murkowski said. “Each rescue was in a different region of the state and each one showed the heroism that our brave men and women of the Coast Guard demonstrate on a daily basis. I want to thank all the Coast Guard members involved in these rescues for their continued service in keeping Alaskans safe and secure.”

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16 Feb 2011 04:55 AM
Erich said no one was lost or injured.
Erich will be going to St. Paul for 2wks at the end of Feb. for rotation.
Last month when he was there they had a blizzard most of the time they were there.
Erich also got orders for July 2011, Barbers Point will be his new duty station.
He's already talking extending.

Thanx Pepperdoggie for the correction, I'm only passing on what I hear from my son.
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16 Feb 2011 05:22 AM
I didn't mean it as a correction. Thought it was nice someone in Congress took notice of the Coast Guard
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16 Feb 2011 05:58 AM
Don't know if the moderator will allow this URL to be included, but I'll give it a try:

http://www.kiiitv.com/Global/story....S=14038667

The news station in Corpus Christ,i KIIITV, did a story on the local USCG airstation unit. Great footage and great to see my son in action (he is the rescue swimmer). If the URL is removed Google the TV station and you will find two links one for a morning show teaser for last night's 10 PM news piece.

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16 Feb 2011 07:33 AM
We would never remove a link to something so long as it is relevant. There have been some removed because they were spam, porn or just nonsense. But something like this... post away anytime. Thank you for sharing!
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16 Feb 2011 11:07 AM
Hey Richard
Kevin looks good. It's been a long time since I shook his hand in E-City.
I'll send this link to Erich.
Thanx for sharing.
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17 Feb 2011 10:28 PM
His time has come! David Munns starts AST school Feb 28th exactly 2 years from graduating from boot camp "Yankee 180". He was at San Francisco air station since Sept. Does anyone know if the orders say Feb 28 - July 1, will July 1 be the graduation date?

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18 Feb 2011 08:11 AM
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It was 18 weeks AST training when my son did it. He didn't make it thru 74-09 so they said he could do another 8 weeks. Finally he graduated 75-09. There are two very nice sound front cabins that can sleep 6 for cheap right on base. Your son needs to reserve them well ahead of time for you. Graduation was on a Fri.
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20 Feb 2011 02:56 PM
Melanie,

Congrats to David! We'll all be pulling for him.

I'm in the top 30 on the AST 'A' school list now...hopefully I'll get orders in the next 1 or 2 sets that they issue.

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20 Feb 2011 05:55 PM
Is there a way to do this without being "in peak physical condition"?i have the medical aspect down prior to enlisting. I'm not"weak" but wondering how strict they mean by the "in peak physical condition" part.
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21 Feb 2011 07:40 AM
They do indeed mean in peak!!!! physical condition. My son just began the airman program to prepare for AST A school. He has seen all the people he knew wash out ahead of him. He has been training for this quite a while and has no illusion that he is better prepared than those he has seen go before him.
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21 Feb 2011 03:35 PM
Texasdad,

Does he do marathons, triathlons, etc? Or has he just been training based on what the airman syllabus has in it?

I'm not in 'peak' physical condition, because you can always get better. I'm a much better swimmer than I've ever been, and can run better than I've ever run...but there is never a peak. With that said, what is considered 'peak'? I can pass the minimums and in 'IN-TEST'...but that's not enough in my opinion. It's important to understand that no matter how good you are, this training is going to be tough. Only those who refuse to quit will pass.
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21 Feb 2011 08:52 PM
Well we just said goodbye to David as he's headed to Elizabeth City to start school on Monday! I don't think anyone can relate to the whole process of getting to this point unless you are a parent too. We are so proud. David has worked hard and we are expecting him to graduate but know not everyone does. I would encourage those interested or on the AST list to be consistent with workouts and endurance building. I really think being in water polo and the swim team for 4 years built Davids confidence in the water and will help him. I would love any information or words of encouragement from other parents  Melanie
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22 Feb 2011 08:26 AM
In reply to USCG for me. He has been on a 378 for a couple of years and his ability to work out has been restricted. He has the syllabus as a work out guide. He was a life guard before the Coast guard and worked out with his baseball programs. He was a major league prospect at one time. ----------- PasoJack, I wish all the good will and positve thoughts I can to your son. That he has gotten this far is something to be proud of. My son is just starting the airman program and we are becoming aware of just how very difficult it is to become this rate. I was just directed to a webb site called becomingarescueswimmer.com it is very informative.
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22 Feb 2011 07:18 PM
Our son too was on a 378 "Morgenthau"and had two Alaska tours in the 1 1/2yrs then on to 6 months at SF Air station. I would imagine depending on the station you are stationed at, the training could differ. The first three months were certainly the seeing how much  mental and physical abuse David could take.  It did make him stronger and he gained a lot more respect  by never quitting or complaining and working out daily on his own. I have to admit in the beginning  we thought the training was more like boot camp style and not specialized training we thought he would get to prepare for A school.   It is always hard on us parents to think our child is being singled out, but now I see  how it "will" prepare him for A school and is more likely to succeed. Thanks for the site info, we had seen that before but maybe it will be helpful for others interested in this position.  Good luck to your son.
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23 Feb 2011 09:48 AM
I notice you mentioned 6 months at the air station. We are expecting 4 months. Was this his choice? Is there an advantage to staying longer i.e. a better chance of success in A school? Or do they hold you there until they think you are ready? Of all the people my son has known either directly(from his boat) or indirectly(from boot camp or relatives) that have attempted AST A school none have been successful. One thing about it, this will be something they will always remember and leave knowing more about themselves.
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23 Feb 2011 07:15 PM
Texasdad,

I can't speak for PasoJack, but I do know the following: if an 'A' school class is 12 people, then they actually issue 18 airman orders. They build in a 50% cushion of airmen assuming that there will be some people who drop from the airman program due to injury, or just quitting. They do this in hopes that there are 12 people left to go to 'A' school from the original 18.

Sometimes out of the 18 airmen, more than 12 will pass...leaving you with a surplus of Airmen and not enough 'A' school spots. What happens then is you will stay at your airstatoin until your turn comes around. I've heard of this happening more than once. Again, this may not be PasoJack's son's reasoning...but it could be.

I've also known people who roll an ankle, catch the flu, etc - during their airman training. This delays them, and if the injury or illness is minor, they will usually allow the airmen to stay at their airman program, but they obviously have to extend it a bit.

This is just what I've learned while researching all of this...thought I'd share. I've never been through the airmen program or AST school, just patiently waiting and learning as much as I can while I wait.

Take care,
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23 Feb 2011 08:17 PM
Texasdad, David was scheduled for the Jan 6th class and had his orders. His buddy who started 3 weeks before him was not scheduled for that class because he was actually behind David on the A school list. The AST's requested an extension to the Chief so they could both get some more training in and start the Feb class together. It was actually Sept 6 - Feb10. He took some leave and time for travel. I hear there is a day and night class and still might not be in the same class. But at least they will be there at the same time. They are in Florida now and leave in the morning for Elizabeth City!
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