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17 Aug 2006 08:51 PM

               How do you guys like the CG, I think it Sucks, I tried to go back into the Army but the CG denied my request, and my wife seconds that. Post how you and your family feel about the Army VS Coast Guard. Maybe this Post will help the CG realize how bad the CG really is.
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    18 Aug 2006 01:00 AM
    Hello Fellow Army family,

    We were a 6 year army family and, all I can say is HUHA it's an ARMY THANG. WE all (kids) included miss the army. We miss the structure and, the support that the ARMY had offered. I know my husband misses the challange,he misses all the fellowship and, friendship that the Army offers. AND THE ACCOUNTABLITY THAT IS THE BIG ONE.
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    18 Aug 2006 01:43 AM


                  LoL I get a constant reminder from my wife everyday, about how much she misses the Army family. During the time I was in the Army she has so many friends (all the guys wifes I worked with). Now at my unit in the CG, no one hangs out together, they just come to work and when liberty is called they all run away from base. We never see each others familys, no moral days, no holidays off, nothing. I'm on the A School list, and I hope to be going to school soon, I have to make rank fast so I can kinda change this CG. Like I told my wife I would rather be in Afgan again, and be with ppl I like (friends) than be at the CG safe and sound washing boats with ppl I hate
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    19 Aug 2006 10:34 PM
    You know you have the right idea, my husband thinks the samething.. He has been to A school already and, is awaiting his 2nd class promotion now. If we(army) stick together we can make a diffrence. The one thing the army taught us spouses and, service member is to never let the situation make us, we make it. We can make the CG a better Army if we just relize that the "One Army One Fight" will get us through. I have relized that not very many CG wives support their husbands the way the ARMY does. I hope as a spouse to pass some of the supportive nature on the CG wives around me. One day I hope they will stop making that rolling stop at the boats before patrol and, hang out show that we are all one family. We will all get through our respective enlistment with our heads held high, because we are still Soldiers at heart and, in the heat of battle no matter land or sea we will still be victorious because servicemembers and spouses alike have been to the mountain top and, have experince as well as heart. That is something that not even the worse CG unit can take away. We are Army wive prior and present are the cream of the crop let you wife know to take solas in the fact that she is not alone... and, it will get better. God Bless and HUHA! Army at heart always and forever. Nwcoastiewife.
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    10 Sep 2006 03:09 PM
    Out of sheer curiosity why in the sam daylights would you join the CG if you didn't like it. Why not stay Army? If you don't like how moral stuff is set up (if any) then why not be the omsbudsman for your station/sector? Stop being pissy and start doing something about it.
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    13 Sep 2006 04:23 PM
    Well first of all as you should well know the CG is not presented as an orginazation that has low standards for it's people. You don't find out about the many pitfalls till you in it period. For you information this is a forum where people speak their minds and, get feed back from other. No one is being pissy... We are doing something about it. That is why we are all here to compare and contrast to see what can me done. As far as being the ommsbudsman for the sector/boat that is a GREAT IDEA when the slot is AVAILABLE. Trust and belive my name is on the list. So with that in mind if your not happy with how those of us feel that are in the post don't read anything else we share, that way there are no hurt feelings.
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    18 Sep 2006 06:37 PM
    FYI willsprincess04 I tried to get out of the Coast Guard once I got to my first unitl, I done all the paper work needed and talked to the Army recuriter, the only reason that I'm not back in the Army which I love and miss so much, is the CG told me that they are low on personnel and could not release my contract to re-enlist in the Army.
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    18 Sep 2006 07:23 PM
    ThankYOOOOOOU Kilaz,

    I guess for people who live and breath Coast Guard our train of thought is a wee bit diffcult to understand to say the least. And, the person who posted the reply about why did prior army sign up well like I said before if the lack of military barring was represented to us at enlistment them none of us would be here right now. freaked
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    28 Sep 2006 12:51 AM
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    How do you guys like the CG, I think it Sucks, I tried to go back into the Army but the CG denied my request, and my wife seconds that. Post how you and your family feel about the Army VS Coast Guard. Maybe this Post will help the CG realize how bad the CG really is.


    Maybe you're comparing apples to oranges. The Army is NOT the Coast Guard and vice versa. No more so than an Air Force comparison with the Navy. The differences in lifestyle, mission and home life are too great to make a worthwhile comparison.

    You sound quite bitter about the differences between the services. I would understand if you weren't so adamant about making a direct comparison. Step back and take a look at the Army, it's funding, it's infrastructure, it's mission, then, lastly, it's people.

    First, it's funding. The US Army enjoys a budget in the 10s of billions for operating funds alone. This does not include big ticket items such as tanks and aircraft. Those items are usually earmarked for long-term procurement, a necessity of the very large multi-year contracts these complex war machines require. The Coast Guard's entire budget wouldn't operate the Army for more than a month.

    Second, infrastructure. The Army has been a consolidated force far longer than the US Coast Guard. If you know your history the Coast Guard has only been the force you see today since the mid-1900s. An Army base is hundred and thousands of acres in size. A typical Coast Guard base is less than 2 with a couple of buildings and some piers or boat docks.

    Third, mission. No comparison. Frontline warfare does not compare to chasing drug smugglers or rescuing distressed mariners. The obvious dangers of a shooting war simply cannot be compared to law enforcement's hit or miss dangers. We have people die, albeit rarely, in attempts to rescue distressed mariners. Again, no comparison to the Army's mission.

    Fourth, the people. 499,900 active duty Army vs about 46,000 active duty Coast Guard. Not even 1/10th the Army's size should indicate to you the paucity of resources available to support Coast Guard families. The Army, rightfully, places a high emphasis on spousal support during deployments that can last a year or more. If a brigade or battalion ships out that's 10-100 times or more the families left behind than when a Coast Guard cutter leaves port (100 to 150 families). Coast Guard spouses generally aren't sitting on pins and needles during deployments. Why? Because the chances are quite high their spouses will return unharmed from the Coast Guard's typical non-combat deployment. I'm going to say in a very broad sense that Coast Guard spouses are more independent than Army spouses. This is not to denigrate the Army spouses. It's just a fact that Coast Guard spouses, as you pointed out, don't seem to congregate the same.

    If anyone read my original post I sincerely apologize. I pulled it and edited it. Re-reading it I realize how heartless it sounded. Spouses have a difficult job regardless of service. You are merely venting the frustrations of many who long for a similar support structure as the Army.


    Caution: The author of this post is a product of the US public education system.

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    30 Sep 2006 05:28 PM
    I put this on the other forum but here it is again:
    This may be a little late, but I think I can put my finger on the problem. I am prior (and soon to be again) coastie, but i have been in the army in iraq this last year. I can't stand the army, I noticed that a good coastie makes a terrible soldier and viceversa. There are two different concepts of military being compared here. I will give an example: my unit was providing security for eod and when I was driving an rg31 I would turn it on put it in gear and stand by to head out, keep in mind we were a time-sensetive unit. My platoon sgt would throw a fit - I didn't have permission to put the vehicle in gear, I didn't double check with him that my seatbelt was on, I didn't have permission for any of the dozen things that make an operation work!!?? In the guard as a nonrate, I was expected to have everything ready for a job without my supervisor standing over me all day, yet here in the army a specialist does nothing without being told (a good one anyway).

    I think the apples and oranges analogy is pretty accurate, there are definately two different mindsets at work. I noticed the army has lower standards and 10 times more people, I don't see how the coast guard can do its job like the army does. I will be glad to get back to the guard and not be hassled with the petty nonsense that goes on here, like on-the-spot-corrections for my rolled sleeves. (yeah I can't roll my sleeves in 120+ weather!)
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                        Whitthedc you said that(I noticed the army has lower standards and 10 times more people). Let me correct you, We do have more people because of the many missions that we have around the world. Second they Army standards are far higher than that of the Coast Guard. FYI for your health no your personal preference they army made you keep your sleaves down in hot weather 1 because it keeps you cooler than having your sleaves rolled up holding in the heat, and 2 to keep you skin from being over exsposed to the elements. Have you ever been in a sand storm, if you have they you will understand that sand hitting you at 200mph will peel any exposed skill right off. The Coast Guard constantly puts its memebers in hazardus situation just doing everyday things. Most Coast guard unit don't have the money to buy proper PPE so they just have there non-rates do the job, who cares about them right. I have seen this personally. We had to use Airplane stripper to take the pait off of a few boats. No PPE, but we where still forced to do it. While in the Army if you are doing something that someone seen not safe, hell yeah give them a on the spot correction, it will keep your fellow members safe. The Coast Guard has a lower standard in everything execpt for there test score percentage, they require 80 on exams to pass, but even thats not hard with so many open book test in the Coast Guard. I will write more later but BM1 needs up to go wash the boat and shine the brass again
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    04 Oct 2006 01:09 AM
    Your correction is incorrect, I know all about sandstorms and the weather here in Iraq and I just take my blouse off and wear a t-shirt or pts during the majority of the year that doesn't have sandstorms. I have enough on the ball to know how much ppe is needed and how to keep myself safe especially considering my route clearance mission. My point about on the spot corrections was that it is used primarily to bolster nco's self-esteem by putting down others. Quantative leadership is not quality leadership. Just an observation founded on plenty of experience at several installations on 2 continents. I see a lot of soldiers that have to be supervised in brushing their teeth, not a majority, but a definate indication of the army's standards. I am not putting the army down, I am proud of the job I am doing this year and the fellow warriors I am with, but there are two different mindsets if you are dependent on the army's policies then I predict a very rocky CG career.
    The work is many times dangerous in the CG and there is some dead weight, I have worked with real screwups in the past. I do however, recognize that the screwups are in the minority and that everyone else takes up the slack for them. Hey no excuses, sometimes people make it to the CG that don't belong there, as the army says; suck it up and drive on.
    Xshiprider put forth a very good post, I think he was saying that instead of being a part of the problem you should work on being part of the solution. I have said more than I intended on this thread, I quit keeping a journal of my current deployment simply because I didn't want to sit around being negitative, I take care of my little corner of the army and ignore the rest; soon enough I will be home in the CG again.
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