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MST or BM???
Last Post 03 Feb 2010 01:22 AM by Gears. 21 Replies.
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01 Feb 2010 02:24 PM
    My son is considering going MST - He is on a high endurance cutter now as a nonrate- He would do that or BM. He has been told there are a lot of civilian jobs available to MST's upon leaving military service. I have my doubts because there are a ton of marine biology graduates(wanna be Jeaque Cuestoes) that can not find a job. Is there really jobs for these MSTs? I think he will miss seagoing duty and he is very motivated to become a boarding team member. He is not inclined to desk/paper work. He is kind of on the bottom rung looking up and somehow he has to make a decision(choose your rate choose your fate) It's certianly his decision alone, but as a dad I want to council him as best I can. I think he is better suited to BM rate. He says one reason against BM is he doesn't want to boss the nonrates on the deck force etc. I think his perspective(the bottom) is slanting his thinking. Please chime in with anything that might be markers toward a correct rate selection. Thanks in advance.
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    01 Feb 2010 02:36 PM
    He should go MK.


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    01 Feb 2010 03:12 PM
    My son was, until recently, in the same situation. He considered several ratings and actually considered some of them more than once. Like you, I do have opinions about matters of practicality and such.

    Still, it was my judgment that I really needed to stay out it. The only advice I gave him was to not let his head totally override his heart because you never want to regret your choice of a career. I was encouraged in my belief by the fact that my parents pretty much left my choice of career up to me, even when they were paying for part of it.

    That might not be the right thing for someone else to do, but I think it was the right thing for me to do.
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    01 Feb 2010 06:45 PM
    Yes, I agree totally, I am doing everything I can to help him gather info and then step back. It isn't easy. By the way gears I suspect for post service employment MK would be a very strong choice.
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    01 Feb 2010 06:48 PM
    It is, and as far as rates go, it's far and away the best.


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    01 Feb 2010 07:41 PM
    MST's actually have a pretty wide variety of jobs they can slip into after CG employment. It's not just a "marine biology" rate, they deal quite a bit with federal safety regulations, pollution response, and incident command systems. I'm not totally savvy with all the ins and outs with the MST rating but I know they do much more than just scrub ducks.

    As far as BM, it's a toss up for outside employment. Some go the merchant mariner direction and use their shipboard/small boat experience and become licensed masters. Others use the leadership/management aspect and take on jobs with heavy emphasis in those areas. Higher ranking BM's will have held a wide variety of collateral duties that can be used to build an impressive resume for almost any job.

    As far as the MK's, I'm sure Gears will chime in and give the rundown on what type of jobs MK's would be a shoe-in for in the civilian sector.


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    01 Feb 2010 08:08 PM
    I will elaborate if I must. The variety of jobs for MKs is pretty much endless. We deal with everything from small engines, diesels, turbines, HVAC, hydraulics, etc. etc. In short, if it rotates, radiates, or reciprocates we fix it. I have attended multpile "C" schools that have certified me to work on a variety of both light and heavy equipment.

    If he wants to pursue a degree in engineering this is a good place to start. If you want any more details hit me with a PM.


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    01 Feb 2010 08:12 PM
    My son is is a BM2 filling an MST2 billett. His primary responsibility is VBST (vessell Boarding Security Team).He boards and searches ships coming into NYC, also lots of portside inspections, environmental inspections of fuel depots, as well as an assortment of law enforcement duties....guarding ferries, boarding and securing cruise ships. He has yet to scrub a duck, but if called upon he probably could! He has attended MANY schools regarding nuclear security and monitoring, hazmat.etc. He's a Boarding Officer as well. Prior to the MST gig, he did a bunch of LE and SAR work from Alaska to the Great Lakes, so he's had a good variety of CG life including a stint on a Cutter in the Bering Sea.


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    01 Feb 2010 09:56 PM
    So what is the difference between what an MK and a DC?  The chart I have says DC is maintenance and emergency repair specialists - do they repair the same type stuff as the MK? Is it only considered DC cause it's done under an emergency?  My chart must be missing something...... 


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    01 Feb 2010 10:12 PM
    I think DC works on all of the non-moving parts: Hull, bulkheads, decking, hatches, doors, scuttles, plumbing, pipefitting, etc. Plus miscellaneous other duties, no doubt.
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    01 Feb 2010 10:54 PM
    Wep, as usual you are correct. They also handle shipboard damage control and chemical biological defense.

    Ever seen The Rock? Stick an atropine needle in your heart? Not quite. It goes in the meaty party of your thigh. The first DC I ever met told me that.


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    01 Feb 2010 11:13 PM
    On a kind of related note, would you say MST is a good rate for preparation for a career in civillian law enforcement? I know about BM and MK being good ones, but what about MST? Thanks.
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    01 Feb 2010 11:21 PM
    As an MST with a BO certification... you could probably work that into a resume if you wanted to get into Federal LE.


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    02 Feb 2010 02:39 AM
    Thanks for the answer - the chart I had didn't seem to explain it enough.  Sounds like Dc does alot of off the wall type things!!  Like a jack of all trades.  


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    02 Feb 2010 03:13 AM
    JKribell, almost every rate does it all. I've done DC, EM, MK, ET, BM, SK, YN, FS, GM, IT, and PA work....


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    02 Feb 2010 03:57 AM
    Speaking of choosing a rate... Let's say that you choose a rate is it possible to change it later? I don't mean like finish A school and then decide to do something else, but maybe after a year or two, or after you re-up? I'm just wondering if it is possible or if you are stuck with it forever.
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    02 Feb 2010 11:53 AM
    You are obligated to a rate for 2 years (I swear I've answered this before.) after that it is POSSIBLE you can change rates. But, the process can be long and arduous if not impossible. Choose carefully.


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    02 Feb 2010 01:49 PM
    Gears -- what about the fellow with little mechanical aptitude --- lets face it we're all not blessed with that skill set. Can he train away this deficency. Surely you have MK'ed with guys that couldn't cut it. Then what, they just survive until they can change rates.
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    02 Feb 2010 02:19 PM
    Texasdad,

    He doesn't have to have mechanical aptitude to be an MK. I'm not one of those MKs who grew up dissassembling and reassembling the family car. Everything I know I learned from training and experience. I've MK'ed (good term) with some of the best and some that were not the best. The difference was a willingness to listen, learn, make mistakes, and correct those mistakes.

    It's the least glamorous, but most personally satisfying rate in the CG. If he is interested he should route a request to spend a couple of days shadowing some MKs for perspective.


    "When you fall on your face, you are still moving forward."

    “I’m not in this world to live up to your expectations and you’re not in this world to live up to mine.” ― Bruce Lee
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    02 Feb 2010 09:18 PM
    Thanks, I'll forward the idea. Although I hate to complicate the process any more. Do you know how long A school wait for MK is?
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    02 Feb 2010 09:35 PM
    In reference to the rate change question, each rate has a set amount of obligated service. That information is in the beginning of every A school list. Once you've fulfilled that obligation you can apply to change rates thru your chain of command.

    1. You must have command approval.
    2. You must have less than 5 years of AD service
    3. You must receive permission from your rating force manager to be released from rate
    4. Your current paygrade is E6 or below
    5. You have not received a SRB OR you agree to pay back any SRB you may have received
    6. You must successfully complete an appropriate Coast Guard Institute correspondence
    course or A school, or striker program
    7. Changes in rating will only be approved for those ratings that need additional personnel

    All this info is available in the PERSMAN 5.C.11.d. Change in Rating.

    As you can see from the requirements above, the phrase "choose your rate, choose your fate" isn't just a cute rhyme!


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    03 Feb 2010 01:22 AM
    Texasdad, I don't know off hand. I would expect about a year. Your son has access to the "A" school list if he is interested in finding out.


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