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atomx
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| 29 Apr 2010 07:12 PM |
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Cooch said...
And that is why are disqualified from military service. I don't know how many times you need to hear it, but it is a fact. You will not be allowed to enter the Coast Guard, or any other Armed Service.
Good luck to you in your future endeavors.
Alright, I'll address this directly. Read COMDTINST 1900.8: Concientious Objectors and the Requirement to Bear Arms and tell me why I am disqualified from military service when my beliefs and concerns are actually supposed to be directly addressed and I am to be assigned appropriately within the service. Conscientious objectors have never been banned from service, whether they wanted to be or not. |
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Old Guard2
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| 29 Apr 2010 07:17 PM |
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atomx said...
And Cooch, you may be offended that I've used the term "killing in cold blood" to refer to non-defensive killing in wartime, and I certainly respect your perspective on it. The rules of war are somewhat different from the rules in the civilian world, a sad, sad fact. But the fact remains, when you are off the battlefield, when you look back and see the people killed just because they were designated "enemy," not in self-defense but because they were in the way, that is cold-blooded. It may be our orders, and we do what we have to do when we are given orders, but I still find it ethically appalling that those orders may be given. That is why I do consider myself a conscientious objector. I don't mean offense, I mean to tell the truth.
Once again you use the conscientious objector wording. That will stop you every time from ever getting any further then the door at a recruiting office. And yes, enemies must sometimes be killed. If you find it ethically appaling, that is fine. I find war very disturbing. My ex-husband is currently in Iraq with the CG and there are nights I lay awake praying that he is safe. He has 2 sons, one that is active duty CG as well, that love him and want him to come home safely. For them, I pray for my ex; for his current wife, I pray for my ex; for me, I pray for my ex. He is a good man. He also carries 2 weapons at all times now. Just walking to the gym on his base in Iraq, there are 2 weapons. If someone fires over a fence line at him I sincerely hope he returns fire and kills that person. Yes, KILLS him. I know he may have a family praying for his return but he has no remorse for firing on the father of my child, so I have none for him.
Two of my sons closest friends from high school are also in the military. One is a Marine, 21 years old and 2 Purple Hearts to his credit already. The other is a corpsman in the Navy serving aboard a floating hospital ship in the Gulf. There is a good chance they may have had to kill someone and for the Marine, he had his humvee exploded from an IED on the side of the road by a person that didn't care if he has a wife. He sees that young Marine as an enemy and will not stop until one of them can no longer pull a trigger.
My ex'es step son is in the USAF. He is a pararescue jumper. He puts his life on the line every day. Again, I do not know if he has had to kill anyone. But if it is a matter of Rusty's life or theirs... I'm sorry, Rusty comes first.
You have no clue what is to be a part of military service. Nor do you seem to have any respect at all for those men that fight to ensure the right you are able to speak your conscientious objective mind. I believe everyone here is trying to be polite and hold their tongue and not tell you exactly what they think. But as a generalization, I am going to say you are a well spoken but rude & condescending individual to these men and women of active duty and to those of us that are parents or spouses that cry and pray and worry and laugh and support with total unconditional love.
Please, move on and find somewhere you will do good. But the CG or any other branch for that matter is not the place for you.
Good day.
Proud mom of
SN Robertson, Colin
USCGC Seneca
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Cooch
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| 29 Apr 2010 07:28 PM |
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atomx said...[quote="Cooch"] And that is why are disqualified from military service. I don't know how many times you need to hear it, but it is a fact. You will not be allowed to enter the Coast Guard, or any other Armed Service. Good luck to you in your future endeavors. [/quote] Alright, I'll address this directly. Read COMDTINST 1900.8: Concientious Objectors and the Requirement to Bear Arms and tell me why I am disqualified from military service when my beliefs and concerns are actually supposed to be directly addressed and I am to be assigned appropriately within the service. Conscientious objectors have never been banned from service, whether they wanted to be or not. That's an easy enough answer. Coast Guard recruiters are tasked with finding only the very best applicants. My office gets about 3,000 applications per year, and we can only put in the best 15 of them. That translates in to 0.5%. Being a conscientious objector easily keeps you from being one of the best applicants for any recruiter. I am able to take everything into account when judging an applicant. That includes their personality, professionalism, and how I feel they would do at this job. I have eliminated applicants in the past for the very same reason. Combine that with the fact that last year, 30 people were selected for Officer Candidate School, and only three of them came from the civilian side. The rest came from within the Coast Guard. Three people nationwide.
Feel free to apply. You will only be told the same thing in person that I am telling you here. The next Officer Candidate School application date isn't until at least next spring anyway. You are already too old to come in enlisted, as you can't have reached your 28th birthday.
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atomx
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| 29 Apr 2010 07:46 PM |
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OldGuard said...
Once again you use the conscientious objector wording. That will stop you every time from ever getting any further then the door at a recruiting office. And yes, enemies must sometimes be killed. If you find it ethically appaling, that is fine. I find war very disturbing. My ex-husband is currently in Iraq with the CG and there are nights I lay awake praying that he is safe. He has 2 sons, one that is active duty CG as well, that love him and want him to come home safely. For them, I pray for my ex; for his current wife, I pray for my ex; for me, I pray for my ex. He is a good man. He also carries 2 weapons at all times now. Just walking to the gym on his base in Iraq, there are 2 weapons. If someone fires over a fence line at him I sincerely hope he returns fire and kills that person. Yes, KILLS him. I know he may have a family praying for his return but he has no remorse for firing on the father of my child, so I have none for him.
Two of my sons closest friends from high school are also in the military. One is a Marine, 21 years old and 2 Purple Hearts to his credit already. The other is a corpsman in the Navy serving aboard a floating hospital ship in the Gulf. There is a good chance they may have had to kill someone and for the Marine, he had his humvee exploded from an IED on the side of the road by a person that didn't care if he has a wife. He sees that young Marine as an enemy and will not stop until one of them can no longer pull a trigger.
My ex'es step son is in the USAF. He is a pararescue jumper. He puts his life on the line every day. Again, I do not know if he has had to kill anyone. But if it is a matter of Rusty's life or theirs... I'm sorry, Rusty comes first.
You have no clue what is to be a part of military service. Nor do you seem to have any respect at all for those men that fight to ensure the right you are able to speak your conscientious objective mind. I believe everyone here is trying to be polite and hold their tongue and not tell you exactly what they think. But as a generalization, I am going to say you are a well spoken but rude & condescending individual to these men and women of active duty and to those of us that are parents or spouses that cry and pray and worry and laugh and support with total unconditional love.
Please, move on and find somewhere you will do good. But the CG or any other branch for that matter is not the place for you.
Good day.
Alright... clearly, this is not working. Emotions are running high, points are being completely missed or ignored, and all that's happening is that I'm looking like a bad guy because I am offending sensibilities. OldGuard, I hope, for your sake and the sake of your loved ones, that whenever they are in danger that they do everything in their power to get out of that situation. If that means killing those who have put them in that danger (meaning "enemy combatants," not those who gave them the orders to go into danger), then I certainly hope they do kill. To do otherwise would be a harm unto themselves, a harm just as bad as not defending their fellow man. And I hope upon hope that all of your serving kin come home to tell you how much the appreciate and love you. With that, I'll sign off. I'm sorry for everyone here that a true dialogue could not be had. This is a nation where freedom of expression is one of its most highly regarded values, a nation where democracy is the ideal, an ideal where rationality and civil dialogue must be sought. Perhaps I'll have such a discussion with my recruiter, face-to-face, and an understanding could be reached. Then again, perhaps not. Either way, I won't be deterred. Know this: if ever I am to serve with you, your sons or your daughters, as either your leader or as your subordinate, I will e your strongest ally, I will defend you with my life, and I will perform my duty with vigor and honor. May all of you live well and with integrity, and regard all life as the gift it is. |
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jen899193
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| 29 Apr 2010 09:09 PM |
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conscientious objector?? ok, given that this was at the time i was born i am uncertain. isn't that the term that men used during vietnam to dodge the draft? and please don't insult my intellegence. i have read each and every one of your posts. i am aware that you state you know that the coast guard is a member of the armed forces, however, the rest of your statements give conflict to that statement. perhaps with all of your education, you might look into a class that allows to be able to express your thoughts in a way they can be more clearly understood. you are assuming that we all are understanding what you mean, when clearly we don't because of other information you have given us. these type of communication classes are frequently found in the social services or therapist degree programs!!
Jen
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OS3 Church, Brittney R.
Camslant Chesapeake, VA
"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin
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chukles
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| 30 Apr 2010 02:25 AM |
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Atom, I want to clear this up. 1. your age is a disqualification for active duty. 2. the Commandant instruction you are referring to is written for those on active duty. As you are looking to join the Coast Guard you do not fall under that regulation. You fall under accession regs. Accession regulations state very clearly that Individuals are ineligible for enlistment/commission when a conscientious objector status exists, or for persons with reservations about military service for religious, moral, or ethical reasons. With that being said, If you elect to proceed with the process and hide the Objection and later refuse to follow an order based on the conscientious objection principle, you are looking at a fraudulent enlistment. I wish you the best with your future endeavors. Vr,
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husband
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| 01 May 2010 07:36 PM |
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I heard the peace corps is looking for tree huggers....
or perhaps PETA.
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